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3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So creepy. 

Being one of the very few females on an overwhelmingly old male-dominated online forum is an experience I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.

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27 minutes ago, Texas Fight said:

I simply said I have an issue with people who say, “Period, full stop” and then continue to write 1000 words of opinions. 
 

You say you were just quoting some of the worst things Kirk actually said but I don’t see any of his quotes in your post. You mean your paraphrasing and opinions of your paraphrasing?

 

I'm happy to provide you with some direct quotes from Charlie Kirk. What are your opinions on each of these statements?

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”

“They're coming out, and they're saying, 'I'm only here because of affirmative action.' Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."

 

“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the mid-1960s.” 

“You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19… the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

“It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

“Jewish donors have been the number one funding mechanism of radical open-border, neoliberal, quasi-Marxist policies, cultural institutions and nonprofits. This is a beast created by secular Jews and now it’s coming for Jews, and they're like, ‘What on Earth happened?’ And it's not just the colleges. It's the nonprofits, it's the movies, it's Hollywood, it's all of it.”

“MLK was awful. He's not a good person. He said one good thing he actually didn't believe.”

 

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13 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“You might want to crack open that Bible of yours. In a lesser referenced part of the same part of scripture, is in Leviticus 18 is that, ‘thou shalt lay with another man shall be stoned to death.’ Just sayin’! So Miss Rachel, you quote Leviticus 19… the chapter before affirms God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

wow I forgot he was trying to start beef with Miss Rachel - what an absolute culture warrior.

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39 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

I know the direct numbers of the Innocence Project. But you should take those numbers and multiply them across the decades before and across all the cases where nobody have any DNA evidence due to circumstances. Thousands is a projection, but it is a reasonable mathematical projection based on historical records. The Innocence Project was only the part of the iceberg that was above water. The truly awful shit will never make headlines.

I would add that I am a Catholic and so oppose the death penalty on principle.

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58 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

Well, wrongful executions is one of those numbers that doesn't need a lot of context and doesn't need to be "per capita" to be meaningful.

I think most people are fairly serious when they repeat the old saw "better a dozen guilty go free than an innocent be convicted."

And here we're not talking about merely convicted, but executed or well en route to being executed.  The 201 actual exonerations from death row since 1973 should alarm the shit out of everyone.  That's 201 innocents not only convicted, but sentenced to death despite all the safeguards.  Yeeeouch.

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49 minutes ago, bolverk said:

“If I see a Black pilot, I’m gonna be like, ’Boy, I hope he’s qualified.’”

 

I'm gonna address just this one.  If you asked Kirk about that statement, he would say "it's because affirmative action raised that question in my mind because it inherently gives positions to the less qualified."

Without debating about that statement, which could be characterized as more of a debatable position than the above quote, it doesn't really matter what the genesis of the soundbite was:  people only hear the pretty trenchantly racist part of it.  And I think that's by design.

That's an attention-seeking and less-than-good-faith argument style.

Also on the "cost of the Second Amendment," he gives the example of driving and rattles off a few of the social benefits of driving and say they offset the 50k motor vehicle fatalities.  But he just assumes any benefit of unrestricted gun ownership without itemizing any such benefits.

And then he reduces the argument to absurdity:  "we're never going to have zero gun deaths."

And all of this was on some kind of very friendly show, not any kind of debate.  The Charlie Kirk Show for the first, something else for the second, with a cheering audience.

 

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Posting this separately from the above.

This is a Freakonomics show featuring Patrick Deneen, a Notre Dame professor that is an advocate of "common good."  Perhaps not him specifically, but his writings underpin a lot of the right-wing authoritarian movement and provide a non-selfish justification for some of the shit that's going down.

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He makes some very valid observations about problems with our "democratic experiment," some forewarned at the founding.  But his proposed solutions are  . . . distasteful.

So, this is a guy that could be massively controversial and also provides intellectual underpinnings to some of the P2025/alt-right crew, like people claim was Charlie Kirk.

But he's not.  And listen to him talking to Steven Dubner on Freakonomics.

https://freakonomics.com/podcast/has-america-lost-its-appetite-for-the-common-good/

Compare and contrast with Charlie Kirk.

And, seriously, if you aren't familiar with "common good," listen to that.  

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Posted
2 hours ago, bolverk said:

You're right. That Clarksville newspaper article isn't the full story. 

Here's the original Xitter post: https://xcancel.com/DripChud/status/1965924660236923329#m

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First, notice the date. It was posted on September 10, last Wednesday, the day that Kirk was murdered, and I have to assume the screenshot was taken on that date. Unfortunately, I cannot find Darren V Michael's Facebook page where this was supposedly posted. I did find his Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/darrenvmichael/), and that post doesn't show there.

So now, second, notice the "6d" under Darren V Michael's name.

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What does that tell you? Well, it tells you that Darren V Michael posted that meme 6 DAYS BEFORE Kirk was murdered, and so therefore, it wasn't in reference to Charlie Kirk.

Folks, take a moment to scroll through @DripChud's Xitter account (https://xcancel.com/DripChud), and tell me what you see. If you prefer to give traffic clicks to a website that promotes actual fucking Nazis, you can also visit the original https://x.com/dripchud?lang=en.

 

Things you do when you are going crazy being a Theatre Professor in Arkansas but are too attached to steady paychecks to just quit.

I totally get it, Darren. Start hitting the gym, and good luck at the Tec de Monterrey in Mexico.

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Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm gonna address just this one.  If you asked Kirk about that statement, he would say "it's because affirmative action raised that question in my mind because it inherently gives positions to the less qualified."

Without debating about that statement, which could be characterized as more of a debatable position than the above quote, it doesn't really matter what the genesis of the soundbite was:  people only hear the pretty trenchantly racist part of it.  And I think that's by design.

That's an attention-seeking and less-than-good-faith argument style.

Also on the "cost of the Second Amendment," he gives the example of driving and rattles off a few of the social benefits of driving and say they offset the 50k motor vehicle fatalities.  But he just assumes any benefit of unrestricted gun ownership without itemizing any such benefits.

And then he reduces the argument to absurdity:  "we're never going to have zero gun deaths."

And all of this was on some kind of very friendly show, not any kind of debate.  The Charlie Kirk Show for the first, something else for the second, with a cheering audience.

 

Also ignores that driving even with those deaths comes with numerous restrictions like…licensing, etc. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Also ignores that driving even with those deaths comes with numerous restrictions like…licensing, etc. 

Do you think guns come without any restrictions? I literally just bought a gun today, it required an ID, background check, and paperwork. What point are you making here?

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Posted
2 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

Do you think guns come without any restrictions? I literally just bought a gun today, it required an ID, background check, and paperwork. What point are you making here?

Cool. Let me know when you have to take a test and carry insurance to shoot. 
 

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, Guadaloopy said:

I’m not disagreeing with the premise that many innocent people have been executed, but your argument loses force when you present bad numbers.  There have been fewer than 1700 executions in the US since the removal of the death penalty moratorium 1976. 

I guess this country started in 1976

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2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

I guess this country started in 1976

To be fair, we really don't have data on such things for a huge part of our history.

But the fundamental mistake is that any number much greater than ONE wrongful execution is significant without anymore context.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Cool. Let me know when you have to take a test and carry insurance to shoot. 
 

 

So you want insurance and a test in order the exercise one of your rights? You don’t need either to buy a car, only to drive it on a public road (which is not right in the constitution). Please let me know which test and how much insurance you have for your free speech before responding.

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Posted
1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Cool. Let me know when you have to take a test and carry insurance to shoot. 
 

 

Insurance is covered under a homeowner’s policy. My dad was hit with birdshot and they had to leave some bbs in him because it was too risky to remove them. The shooter’s insurance tried to deny the claim because they doubted my dad would sue a friend (actually another doctor who also taught gun safety). Anyway, they were correct and my dad didn’t sue, but that’s how I learned about coverage for shooting accidents.

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1 hour ago, TKthunder2 said:

So you want insurance and a test in order the exercise one of your rights? You don’t need either to buy a car, only to drive it on a public road (which is not right in the constitution). Please let me know which test and how much insurance you have for your free speech before responding.

Jfc this is the same sort of deflecting shit Ck used. 
 

Let’s start with how many automobile  deaths occur on private property. 
 

wait no. Let’s not bother. This isn’t worth debating. 

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9 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

So you want insurance and a test in order the exercise one of your rights? You don’t need either to buy a car, only to drive it on a public road (which is not right in the constitution). Please let me know which test and how much insurance you have for your free speech before responding.

Actually this relates to the Charlie Kirk speech where it was said that he said it was okay for children to die. I had never heard him speak beforehand, but I listened to 3 since his passing just to see what he was about. 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

To be fair, we really don't have data on such things for a huge part of our history.

But the fundamental mistake is that any number much greater than ONE wrongful execution is significant without anymore context.

We know we executed people. We know we get it wrong. 1000s seems pretty likely based on simple math.

Posted
8 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Insurance is covered under a homeowner’s policy. My dad was hit with birdshot and they had to leave some bbs in him because it was too risky to remove them. The shooter’s insurance tried to deny the claim because they doubted my dad would sue a friend (actually another doctor who also taught gun safety). Anyway, they were correct and my dad didn’t sue, but that’s how I learned about coverage for shooting accidents.

Are there laws requiring you to carry insurance to use a gun?  That’s a new one on me. 
 

 

Posted
1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Are there laws requiring you to carry insurance to use a gun?  That’s a new one on me. 
 

 

Not requiring you to carry as far as I know, but if you have a homeowner’s policy it may provide coverage if you accidentally shoot someone.

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4 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Are there laws requiring you to carry insurance to use a gun?  That’s a new one on me. 
 

 

Usually a homeowners or renters insurance policy will cover this if it happens on your property

e: @Bevo beat me to it

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12 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Actually this relates to the Charlie Kirk speech where it was said that he said it was okay for children to die. I had never heard him speak beforehand, but I listened to 3 since his passing just to see what he was about. 

 

 

Full context made it worse thanks for sharing

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12 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Actually this relates to the Charlie Kirk speech where it was said that he said it was okay for children to die. I had never heard him speak beforehand, but I listened to 3 since his passing just to see what he was about. 

 

 

Quote attributed to him is accurate. 

Posted
34 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Actually this relates to the Charlie Kirk speech where it was said that he said it was okay for children to die. I had never heard him speak beforehand, but I listened to 3 since his passing just to see what he was about. 

 

 

The stupidity of this is pretty awe inspiring. The bank branch I go to has never had an armed guard or shooting. Not that it matters, cuz it both my comment and his examples are statistically irrelevant micro samples. 

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4 hours ago, Texas Fight said:

I simply said I have an issue with people who say, “Period, full stop” and then continue to write 1000 words of opinions. 
 

You say you were just quoting some of the worst things Kirk actually said but I don’t see any of his quotes in your post. You mean your paraphrasing and opinions of your paraphrasing?

In @Brisketexan's defense, 1000 words is just a mere aside for him.

Also, fuck you.

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, wrongful executions is one of those numbers that doesn't need a lot of context and doesn't need to be "per capita" to be meaningful.

 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

To be fair, we really don't have data on such things for a huge part of our history.

But the fundamental mistake is that any number much greater than ONE wrongful execution is significant without anymore context.

 

1 hour ago, hobbes2702 said:

We know we executed people. We know we get it wrong. 1000s seems pretty likely based on simple math.

Y’all. I’m on your side here.  The death penalty is immoral and belongs in the dustbin of history

My point is that if we say ONE wrongful execution is significant, then focus on the ones that are provable as your evidence, not “reasonable mathematical projections.”  Claiming thousands of hypothetical wrongful executions feels like “stat padding” and turns people off to the argument before you even get a chance to land the weight of the actually provable wrongful executions. 

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4 minutes ago, Guadaloopy said:

 

 

Y’all. I’m on your side here.  The death penalty is immoral and belongs in the dustbin of history

My point is that if we say ONE wrongful execution is significant, then focus on the ones that are provable as your evidence, not “reasonable mathematical projections.”  Claiming thousands of hypothetical wrongful executions feels like “stat padding” and turns people off to the argument before you even get a chance to land the weight of the actually provable wrongful executions. 

Anyone dumb enough not to understand that there have been thousands of wrongful executions is not someone I’ll be wasting my time arguing with.

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59 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

In @Brisketexan's defense, 1000 words is just a mere aside for him.

Also, fuck you.

You guys are gonna give Imma an idea. Like how X charges you for a checkmark so you can post more words. No checkmark and you are limited to so many characters. Think of us who do not have the gift of brevity man. Where is your humanity? 

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Posted
1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Still dead? Still not spewing vile, hateful, divisive shit? Good. 

 

Surely you realize this post could be viewed as vile, hateful and divisive. 

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2 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

The stupidity of this is pretty awe inspiring. The bank branch I go to has never had an armed guard or shooting. Not that it matters, cuz it both my comment and his examples are statistically irrelevant micro samples. 

What about him talking about how there used to be bunches of shootings at baseball games until all the baseball games had armed guards.   Airports too, according to Charlie there used to be a bunch of mass airport shootings until we posted up armed guards.    And the crowd cheers this on?  

Posted
9 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I’d forgotten that Charlie weighed in on the Central Texas flooding just one month before he was killed. Asked how many more kids died because of DEI and Austin’s black fire chief.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/right-wing-podcaster-blames-austin-fire-chief-and-dei-for-flood-deaths-amidst-union-vote

When I think about the leadership in Kerr County, the first thing my mind jumps to is DEI.

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18 minutes ago, C-Man said:

I’d forgotten that Charlie weighed in on the Central Texas flooding just one month before he was killed. Asked how many more kids died because of DEI and Austin’s black fire chief.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/local/right-wing-podcaster-blames-austin-fire-chief-and-dei-for-flood-deaths-amidst-union-vote

There are often times when I am a shithead.   I hope that the times I am not a shithead greatly outweigh the times I am.  I don't have a podcast to broadcast all the moments I am a shithead and I am grateful for that. 

I keep coming back to this.  The people who demonize him are right some of the time.  The people who lionize him some of the time are also right some of the time.  The problem in my mind is the rush to the extremes of demonization and lionizationfor flawed human beings.  He shouldn't have been shot.  He also should not have said a lot of the shitty things he said.

There is a saying that, "who you are some of the time, is who you are all of the time."  That saying is flawed because we vacillate between our dark side and our light side.  The reality is who we are is who we are.  I wish that future leaders, and for better or worse, Kirk was a leader, will keep in mind that people will attribute every action they take to those extremes.

Drunk thoughts on a Sunday evening.

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27 minutes ago, PhillyD said:

There are often times when I am a shithead.   I hope that the times I am not a shithead greatly outweigh the times I am.  I don't have a podcast to broadcast all the moments I am a shithead and I am grateful for that. 

I keep coming back to this.  The people who demonize him are right some of the time.  The people who lionize him some of the time are also right some of the time.  The problem in my mind is the rush to the extremes of demonization and lionizationfor flawed human beings.  He shouldn't have been shot.  He also should not have said a lot of the shitty things he said.

There is a saying that, "who you are some of the time, is who you are all of the time."  That saying is flawed because we vacillate between our dark side and our light side.  The reality is who we are is who we are.  I wish that future leaders, and for better or worse, Kirk was a leader, will keep in mind that people will attribute every action they take to those extremes.

Drunk thoughts on a Sunday evening.

Your drunk thoughts are more charitable than mine.

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8 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

You guys are gonna give Imma an idea. Like how X charges you for a checkmark so you can post more words. No checkmark and you are limited to so many characters. Think of us who do not have the gift of brevity man. Where is your humanity? 

TL;DR

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11 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Cool. Let me know when you have to take a test. 
 

 


Tell everyone that you don’t have a Texas concealed carry license or a hunting license without telling us.

To your point though, Texas does not require you to take a test before going on a school shooting or assassinating someone. 

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9 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

You guys are gonna give Imma an idea. Like how X charges you for a checkmark so you can post more words. No checkmark and you are limited to so many characters. Think of us who do not have the gift of brevity man. Where is your humanity? 

You are going to give Imma an idea.  Dumping fees for bodies at Town Lake.

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