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Posted
1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

He could try to okey doke I'm just a dumbass congenital liar and so fucking stupid that the inferences here don't apply because I'm not a sentient human being.  But that's going to be tough without him taking the stand.

throw in an "everyone knows i don't read" and you've got arguably the best possible defense he could mount.

if i was his attorney i would try to prove dementia and senility, provide hundreds of other examples, and then would get fired.

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Posted
2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

throw in an "everyone knows i don't read" and you've got arguably the best possible defense he could mount.

if i was his attorney i would try to prove dementia and senility, provide hundreds of other examples, and then would get fired.

If I was his attorney, I'd asked for a lot of cash up front.

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

 

Naah.  My offer is "you will suffer.  In prison, you will suffer unspeakably.  So...."

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Then hand him a cyanide pill and walk away.

 

But the cyanide pill is secretly filled with ebola 

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Posted
18 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

While true, I think the very best we could expect before some CR themed post hit is about - three posts?

The downside is, we will never know what Mulletfree thinks about this. 

One of GRUHorn/Mullet Free, or Donkey Cigars/Hamster Hookah is now posting as Proust Bag. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, G650 said:

Man, it's bananas a man that stupid can be elected President

Trump being President says so much about our country.

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Posted
40 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hell, I am.

Pat Robertson died this week.  Trump indicted.  Nate Paul got picked up by the feds on more charges, making Paxton and his backers squirm. Ukrainians are doing their thing.  A relative is getting out of the hospital.

Fantastic week.

Gaetz and Santos shitstorms potentially heating up as well

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Posted
36 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Just took a look over at Texags.....

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Don't care much for 45 anymore, but this is raging hypocrisy by the feds and this administration. And not a single person on the other side will stand up and say so.

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Trump is being indicted for crimes Biden committed.

What a country…

 

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Posted
1 hour ago, longhornmatt said:

 

Also, apparently there are “shocking new details of a corrupt scheme” involving Biden and bribery coming up after the break.

 

Bah gawd, that's Incredulity's music! 

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Posted
3 hours ago, tx ind said:

it has to be real, there's not another person in America that would have that bathroom

 

3 hours ago, yoladu said:

a chandelier in a bathroom? this pic checks out.

Yeah I can just hear Robin Leach describing it in Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous. Champagne wishes and caviar dreams, indeed.

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THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING ALL THIS TIME
Don't you need to go dust your Greg Davis memorabilia collection instead of spiking the ball when you're only at the 50?
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Posted
6 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

So assuming Kash Patel isn’t indicted are we assuming he flipped for an immunity deal?

I don’t know man.   Looks puckered.  

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Posted
1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Elderly millennials and young gen xers?  Do either of those cohorts exist?  In the real world I mean. 

Sir, this is a snow cone stand.  

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Posted
1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Also....anyone want to lay percentage odds on an assassination attempt of a prosecutor and/or other DOJ official "deemed responsible by MAGA" within the next year?

I say 80%.  And probably bet the over.

Once a jury has been picked, odds on actual attacks on one or more of them?  Make your predictions here.

It either happens or it doesn’t. You can’t calculate the odds after the fact. Over/under bets are on totals. So you could set the total at 2.5 prosecutors attacked and then bet over or under that number. I’d take the under because of how aggressively the DOJ has gone after Jan. 6 insurrectionists.

I’d put the odds of some of the people on the prosecutorial side getting death threats from MAGA nutjobs at 100%. That seems to happen to everyone who Trump sees as an enemy. 

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Posted
6 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

you got negged by a certified bitch

That was quite the drive by, wasn't it?   Not a peep from him in this thread or the DT thread....

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Posted
1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Hell, I am.

Pat Robertson died this week.  Trump indicted.  Nate Paul got picked up by the feds on more charges, making Paxton and his backers squirm. Ukrainians are doing their thing.  A relative is getting out of the hospital.

Fantastic week.

And James Watt died too. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Captainant said:

31 counts of Willfull Retention of National Defense Information (18USC 793(e))
1 count of Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18USC 1512(k))
1 count of Withholding a Document or Record (18USC 1512(b)(2)(A), 2)
1 count of Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18USC 1512(c)(1), 2)
1 count of Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18USC 1519, 2)
1 count of Scheme to Conceal (18USC 1001(a)(1), 2)
2 counts of False Statements and Representations (18USC 1001(a)(2), 2)

I tried to check my anti-Trump bias at the door while reading the full indictment.  It sounds like there is evidence that Trump had a careless disregard for security classifications, but there are no allegations/evidence of harm arising from that, willful or otherwise.  Where it could get damming if supported by evidence at trial is the alleged obstruction, coverup and concealment.  Counts 32 through 37, which I'll spoiler below.  If the government can show strong evidence of these charges, Trump should be fucked legally and politically.  If they can't, he's just a moron who we should have never gifted Presidential informational access to in the first place.

A few things that stand out to me in the indictment:

  • Trump appears dumber than I thought, and that's fucking saying something.
  • So much of the alleged cover up is Donald Trump conspiring with Waltine Nauta, with Trump directing and Nauta carrying out.  If the evidence of a conspiracy is 95% testimony from Trump's alleged co-conspirator with a legal motive to testify against Trump, its gonna be a he said/she said in the court of public opinion.  Pre-existing biases will govern who everyone believes.
  • Trump's lawyers sound inept at best, criminal at worst.
     
Spoiler

COUNT 32
Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)) 78. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. The Conspiracy and its Objects 79. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with each other and with others known and unknown to the grand jury, to engage in misleading conduct toward another person and corruptly persuade another person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(b)(2)(A), and to corruptly conceal a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(1). The Purpose of the Conspiracy 80. The purpose of the conspiracy was for TRUMP to keep classified documents he had taken with him from the White House and to hide and conceal them from a federal grand jury. The Manner and Means of the Conspiracy 81. The manner and means by which the defendants sought to accomplish the objects and purpose of the conspiracy included, among other things, the following: a. Suggesting that Trump Attorney 1 falsely represent to the FBI and grand jury that TRUMP did not have documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena; b. moving boxes of documents to conceal them from Trump Attorney 1, the FBI, and the grand jury; c. suggesting that Trump Attorney 1 hide or destroy documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena; d. providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena, while TRUMP claimed he was cooperating fully; e. causing a false certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury representing that all documents with classification markings had been produced, when in fact they had not; and f. making false and misleading statements to the FBI. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(k).

COUNT 33
Withholding a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b)(2)(A), 2) 82. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 83. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly engage in misleading conduct toward another person, and knowingly corruptly persuade and attempt to persuade another person, with intent to cause and induce any person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding; that is—(1) TRUMP attempted to persuade Trump Attorney 1 to hide and conceal documents from a federal grand jury; and (2) TRUMP and NAUTA misled Trump Attorney 1 by moving boxes that contained documents with classification markings so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512(b)(2)(A) and 2.

COUNT 34
Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(1), 2) 84. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 85. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did corruptly conceal a record, document, and other object, and attempted to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding; that is—TRUMP and NAUTA hid and concealed boxes that contained documents with classification markings from Trump Attorney 1 so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512(c)(1) and 2.

COUNT 35
Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18 U.S.C. §§ 1519, 2) 86. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 87. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly conceal, cover up, falsify, and make a false entry in any record, document, and tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, and influence the investigation and proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of a department and agency of the United States, and in relation to and contemplation of any such matter; that is—during a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, (1) TRUMP and NAUTA hid, concealed, and covered up from the FBI TRUMP’s continued possession of documents with classification markings at The Mar-a-Lago Club; and (2) TRUMP caused a false certification to be submitted to the FBI. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1519 and 2.

COUNT 36
Scheme to Conceal (18 U.S.C. §§ 1001(a)(1), 2) 88. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 89. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully falsify, conceal, and cover up by any trick, scheme, and device a material fact; that is—during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, TRUMP and NAUTA hid and concealed from the grand jury and the FBI TRUMP’s continued possession of documents with classification markings. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(1) and 2.

COUNT 37
False Statements and Representations (18 U.S.C. §§ 1001(a)(2), 2) 90. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 91. On or about June 3, 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendant, DONALD J. TRUMP, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully make and cause to be made a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation; that is—during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, TRUMP caused the following false statements and representations to be made to the grand jury and the FBI in a sworn certification executed by Trump Attorney 3: a. “A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida”; b. “This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena”; and c. “Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.” 92. The statements and representations set forth above were false, as TRUMP knew, because TRUMP had directed that boxes be removed from the Storage Room before Trump Attorney 1 conducted the June 2, 2022 search for documents with classification markings, so that Trump Attorney 1’s search would not and did not include all of TRUMP’s boxes that were removed from the White House; Trump Attorney 1’s search would not and did not locate all 41 documents responsive to the May 11 Subpoena; and all responsive documents were not provided to the FBI and the grand jury with the certification. In fact, after June 3, 2022, more than 100 documents with classification markings remained at The Mar-a-Lago Club until the FBI search on August 8, 2022. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(2) and 2.

 

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Posted
55 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

 

I am perturbed that that aggy ruh tard appropriated a Cracker lyric for his username.

Lowery should sue.

It is probably Cracker's worst song.

A few sane ags showed up and got roasted.  What's fascinating is what a fact-free zone that is.  Hardly any of them bothered to read the indictment or have any familiarity with the facts.  Didn't know who Nauta was, etc.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I am perturbed that that aggy ruh tard appropriated a Cracker lyric for his username.

Lowery should sue.

It is probably Cracker's worst song.

A few sane ags showed up and got roasted.  What's fascinating is what a fact-free zone that is.  Hardly any of them bothered to read the indictment or have any familiarity with the facts.  Didn't know who Nauta was, etc.

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Posted
11 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I tried to check my anti-Trump bias at the door while reading the full indictment.  It sounds like there is evidence that Trump had a careless disregard for security classifications, but there are no allegations/evidence of harm arising from that, willful or otherwise.  Where it could get damming if supported by evidence at trial is the alleged obstruction, coverup and concealment.  Counts 32 through 37, which I'll spoiler below.  If the government can show strong evidence of these charges, Trump should be fucked legally and politically.  If they can't, he's just a moron who we should have never gifted Presidential informational access to in the first place.

A few things that stand out to me in the indictment:

  • Trump appears dumber than I thought, and that's fucking saying something.
  • So much of the alleged cover up is Donald Trump conspiring with Waltine Nauta, with Trump directing and Nauta carrying out.  If the evidence of a conspiracy is 95% testimony from Trump's alleged co-conspirator with a legal motive to testify against Trump, its gonna be a he said/she said in the court of public opinion.  Pre-existing biases will govern who everyone believes.
  • Trump's lawyers sound inept at best, criminal at worst.
     
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COUNT 32
Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice (18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)) 78. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. The Conspiracy and its Objects 79. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly combine, conspire, confederate, and agree with each other and with others known and unknown to the grand jury, to engage in misleading conduct toward another person and corruptly persuade another person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(b)(2)(A), and to corruptly conceal a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding, in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 1512(c)(1). The Purpose of the Conspiracy 80. The purpose of the conspiracy was for TRUMP to keep classified documents he had taken with him from the White House and to hide and conceal them from a federal grand jury. The Manner and Means of the Conspiracy 81. The manner and means by which the defendants sought to accomplish the objects and purpose of the conspiracy included, among other things, the following: a. Suggesting that Trump Attorney 1 falsely represent to the FBI and grand jury that TRUMP did not have documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena; b. moving boxes of documents to conceal them from Trump Attorney 1, the FBI, and the grand jury; c. suggesting that Trump Attorney 1 hide or destroy documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena; d. providing to the FBI and grand jury just some of the documents called for by the May 11 Subpoena, while TRUMP claimed he was cooperating fully; e. causing a false certification to be submitted to the FBI and grand jury representing that all documents with classification markings had been produced, when in fact they had not; and f. making false and misleading statements to the FBI. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section 1512(k).

COUNT 33
Withholding a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b)(2)(A), 2) 82. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 83. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly engage in misleading conduct toward another person, and knowingly corruptly persuade and attempt to persuade another person, with intent to cause and induce any person to withhold a record, document, and other object from an official proceeding; that is—(1) TRUMP attempted to persuade Trump Attorney 1 to hide and conceal documents from a federal grand jury; and (2) TRUMP and NAUTA misled Trump Attorney 1 by moving boxes that contained documents with classification markings so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512(b)(2)(A) and 2.

COUNT 34
Corruptly Concealing a Document or Record (18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(c)(1), 2) 84. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 85. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did corruptly conceal a record, document, and other object, and attempted to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity and availability for use in an official proceeding; that is—TRUMP and NAUTA hid and concealed boxes that contained documents with classification markings from Trump Attorney 1 so that Trump Attorney 1 would not find the documents and produce them to a federal grand jury. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1512(c)(1) and 2.

COUNT 35
Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation (18 U.S.C. §§ 1519, 2) 86. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 87. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, did knowingly conceal, cover up, falsify, and make a false entry in any record, document, and tangible object with the intent to impede, obstruct, and influence the investigation and proper administration of any matter within the jurisdiction of a department and agency of the United States, and in relation to and contemplation of any such matter; that is—during a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, (1) TRUMP and NAUTA hid, concealed, and covered up from the FBI TRUMP’s continued possession of documents with classification markings at The Mar-a-Lago Club; and (2) TRUMP caused a false certification to be submitted to the FBI. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1519 and 2.

COUNT 36
Scheme to Conceal (18 U.S.C. §§ 1001(a)(1), 2) 88. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 89. From on or about May 11, 2022, through in or around August 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendants, DONALD J. TRUMP and WALTINE NAUTA, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully falsify, conceal, and cover up by any trick, scheme, and device a material fact; that is—during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, TRUMP and NAUTA hid and concealed from the grand jury and the FBI TRUMP’s continued possession of documents with classification markings. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(1) and 2.

COUNT 37
False Statements and Representations (18 U.S.C. §§ 1001(a)(2), 2) 90. The General Allegations of this Indictment are re-alleged and fully incorporated here by reference. 91. On or about June 3, 2022, in Palm Beach County, in the Southern District of Florida, and elsewhere, the defendant, DONALD J. TRUMP, in a matter within the jurisdiction of the judicial branch and executive branch of the United States government, did knowingly and willfully make and cause to be made a materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statement and representation; that is—during a federal grand jury investigation and a federal criminal investigation being conducted by the FBI, TRUMP caused the following false statements and representations to be made to the grand jury and the FBI in a sworn certification executed by Trump Attorney 3: a. “A diligent search was conducted of the boxes that were moved from the White House to Florida”; b. “This search was conducted after receipt of the subpoena, in order to locate any and all documents that are responsive to the subpoena”; and c. “Any and all responsive documents accompany this certification.” 92. The statements and representations set forth above were false, as TRUMP knew, because TRUMP had directed that boxes be removed from the Storage Room before Trump Attorney 1 conducted the June 2, 2022 search for documents with classification markings, so that Trump Attorney 1’s search would not and did not include all of TRUMP’s boxes that were removed from the White House; Trump Attorney 1’s search would not and did not locate all 41 documents responsive to the May 11 Subpoena; and all responsive documents were not provided to the FBI and the grand jury with the certification. In fact, after June 3, 2022, more than 100 documents with classification markings remained at The Mar-a-Lago Club until the FBI search on August 8, 2022. All in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Sections 1001(a)(2) and 2.

 

Nauta is a co-defendant.  Meaning, he need not testify at all.   Smith knows that.  He's got the evidence.  There's video.

Nauta evidently shut up right after his first batch of lies.

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