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16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Gay people are icky.

I think that’s the big objection. Whether they admit it or not.

Also, “the border” (as a cover for deep-seated racism, which many Americans still hold). That’s part of it.

It’s mostly that they’ve bought in to non-issues that the extreme right has made into issues. Woke gay trans BLM open borders and such.

I'd bet a fair bit of the "gay people are icky" aspect is of the dost protest too much variety.  Some of the most homophobic people I grew up with ended up being gay or bi-sexual.  But because of their conservative upbringing they not only hid it but were vocally anti-gay.

As for the border, I'm not sure how much racism play into it.  Obviously, it's there for some, but as a country there has been anti-immigrant sentiment whenever mass quantities of new immigrants have arrived, regardless of origination.  Often from members of their own communities who'd arrived earlier.

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11 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

The crowd will be the same band of traveling lunatics that follow him around the country like those people in the RV's in Independence Day.

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17 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I hope it's Walz. I'd be okay with Bashear, though, he seems to have a ton of political acumen as well.

I'm fine with either but on thing going for Bashear is he's, quite frankly, good looking and has a good looking family.  (Sorry that matters.)  Same applies to Harris as well.  She's attractive and telegenic.

Compare that to the opposite ticket of Dotard and the Incel Care Bear.

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59 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Just a reminder that Harris has been the presumptive nominee for over a week and the GOP still doesn't have any substantive attack on her. 

They had 4 years to put together an oppo file on her (and any other potential contender, like Newsom, Whitmer, Walz, Cooper, etc., considering Biden's age) and yet... 

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I've thought that as well.  It's like the whole campaign was centered around Biden being old and it's not like no one thought there was a chance of a switch out.

Harris has also been on the national stage since 2020 so it's not like they don't know who she is.  She's a black woman for god's sake so that's the Dog Whistle Bingo for them.  You think they'd be ready to go.

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20 minutes ago, Brian Fantana said:

I hope it's Walz. I'd be okay with Bashear, though, he seems to have a ton of political acumen as well.

His dad was also the Gov of KY, so he's grown up around politics.

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1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I've thought that as well.  It's like the whole campaign was centered around Biden being old and it's not like no one thought there was a chance of a switch out.

Harris has also been on the national stage since 2020 so it's not like they don't know who she is.  She's a black woman for god's sake so that's the Dog Whistle Bingo for them.  You think they'd be ready to go.

I think they thought that, at a minimum, they could keep her tied to Biden and keep her favorable ratings down.

That backfired.

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1 hour ago, heso said:

I’m not convinced they’ve ever come to the conclusion that they can only rely on themselves. They got told that their steel mills and manufacturing got shipped overseas by big city globalist democrats. They got told that the environmentalists are shutting down the coal mines. They got told that it was Obama’s fault that the post recession recovery skipped their communities. They got told that Biden was going to shut down fracking and turn off their gas wells. They got told that the Muslims were coming to destroy their way of life. They got told that millions of brown people are streaming across the border to come take what little they have. 

At some point, that's on them for being stupid ass rubes and not being able to think for themselves.

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3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I've thought that as well.  It's like the whole campaign was centered around Biden being old and it's not like no one thought there was a chance of a switch out.

Harris has also been on the national stage since 2020 so it's not like they don't know who she is.  She's a black woman for god's sake so that's the Dog Whistle Bingo for them.  You think they'd be ready to go.

At first it seemed like they were set on "she's a ho" and "DEI hire" but they seem to have backed away from that. Give them a little bit more time to come up with ideas and we probably will be back to "she's a ho" and "DEI hire."

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9 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'm fine with either but on thing going for Bashear is he's, quite frankly, good looking and has a good looking family.  (Sorry that matters.)  Same applies to Harris as well.  She's attractive and telegenic.

Compare that to the opposite ticket of Dotard and the Incel Care Bear.

This is true, and Walz is also already effective at combating MAGA without being the VP pick.

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8 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

MAGA conservative identify is 100% couched in being the normal ones / conforming to the norm and everyone else is an othered weirdo. Calling them weird triggers them deeply.

One of my very best friends is an evangelical in every sense of the word, inerrancy of the Bible believer, homeschooled his kids, conservative politically, etc.

He also comes with a healthy dose of being oppressed, because not everyone else believes with him and his smaller group of conservative evangelical friends.   Like I said, he is still a good buddy and so I gave him a crap all the time like good buddies do.    I can get him on almost anything, but if I challenge any of his core beliefs being out of the mainstream, then he does feel challenged and pushback.    

Anything that implies they are a tad not-normal is the line in the sand. 

 

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30 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:


Gay people are icky.

I think that’s the big objection. Whether they admit it or not.

Also, “the border” (as a cover for deep-seated racism, which many Americans still hold). That’s part of it.

It’s mostly that they’ve bought in to non-issues that the extreme right has made into issues. Woke gay trans BLM open borders and such.

that's not good enough. there has to be more.

20 minutes ago, tbone_ said:


All very valid points.

I’m just trying to make the case that it’s very hard to change people’s opinions once they’ve made up their minds to believe whatever it is they’ve decided to believe.

Forget ideology for a minute and let’s talk about practicality. There are a bunch of moderate Rs that don’t like Trump that can swing the election. Figure out how to put forth a narrative that makes them feel like there is a reason to vote D that they can feel ok about and you’ll win the election. That’s what counts. Ideology doesn’t mean shit if you don’t win.

Doubling down harder on your position may feel good to do, but it’s not going to win the swing voters. There will always be competing opinions and agendas in politics. It’s as old as time and will never go away. But those the figure out how to build a coalition will be the ones that win elections.

The Rs could do this too, but I’m certain they are too stupid to figure it out. I’m just hoping Kamala and her team are smart and play the chess match to win.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled ideology discussions….

I am no way saying we don't need everyone (insert gary oldman gif here) to win this election for the sake of sanity. I just can't rectify the going back part. what's to go back to?

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1 hour ago, Tuco said:

I'm pretty sure all sides having been doing it forever.  "Give Me Liberty or Give Me Death" was delivered at a church.  Martin Luther King, Jr. was a pastor and churches were frequently used for meetings.  I remember nuns getting arrested for anti-nuke protests when I was a kid.  

I don't feel any great need to dictate that church leaders need to steer clear of politics.  They are people, and theoretically have values and goals that overlap with politics. But, yeah, they should pay taxes.  

Yep. There's no way to stop it, but the danger comes when someone from the pulpit claims a policy or person is the choice of God. As we've seen, this leads to politics becoming a religious rite to appeal to God, and, before you know it, God's actual intent and meaning fall away.

WWJD? He wouldn't impose cruelty on refugees and other poor souls seeking help. He wouldn't privilege one class or nationality or race above another. He'd drop a divine turd on Donald Trump.

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Posted
2 hours ago, Incredulity said:

So after all the time and effort to convict DT the galaxy brain strategy is to pivot from "criminal" to "weird".

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I mean the convictions have all been successful. 

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Posted (edited)
16 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I'm fine with either but on thing going for Bashear is he's, quite frankly, good looking and has a good looking family.  (Sorry that matters.)  Same applies to Harris as well.  She's attractive and telegenic.

Compare that to the opposite ticket of Dotard and the Incel Care Bear.

Yep.

Don't forget in his race from 2019 to 2023, he flipped quite a few more Eastern KY coal counties.  He won the 6th congressional district by 18 points (R+9 district) and only lost the 4th by 4 points (R+19 district), the 1st by 12 points (R+24 district), and the 2nd by 8 points (R+21 district).  The 3rd district is D+9 and he won it 71-29. 

He can absolutely speak to WWC voters in the Midwest + western NC

He won't help flip Ohio (Jesus wouldn't be able to do that) but he might help enough for Sherrod Brown to win his race.

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Posted
3 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Recall in 2020 there was no Republican platform. It was only whatever Trump felt like at the moment. That’s what I think Project 2025‘s biggest flaw was to them: It was in writing.

People are allergic to a plan in writing, don't get me wrong I love a good logical plan, but project 2025 is like impotent rage and violent execution put in writing, it is a dumb plan with a dumb publisher that put it in writing.

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12 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

If Project 2025 was popular, Trump would have embraced it.  When somebody around him saw that it was turning off a shitload of people, it had to go.

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1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Just a reminder that Harris has been the presumptive nominee for over a week and the GOP still doesn't have any substantive attack on her. 

They had 4 years to put together an oppo file on her (and any other potential contender, like Newsom, Whitmer, Walz, Cooper, etc., considering Biden's age) and yet... 

They have an oppo file on her, as well as everybody you mentioned.  Probably a few hundred pages at minimum.  I have a buddy who works at a data analytics company that caters to politicians, and they contribute to such collections of information.

But Trump and the others don't have time to read all that and their audiences don't want to process that, they just want to get their 30-second sound bite off for social media or whatever.   Trump could be out there talking about how Harris as DA maybe prosecuted this or that group more than she should have, but his audience's eyes would glaze over until he shouted out "DEI" and "Joe and the Hoe".

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Posted
1 hour ago, 'stache said:

And after all the time and effort pretending to investigate Joe and convicting Hunter for tax problems, the pivot is to "women without children are psychopaths and can't be leaders and all minorities in high positions are DEI."

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This'll get us back in the game!

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Posted
37 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I'd bet a fair bit of the "gay people are icky" aspect is of the dost protest too much variety.  Some of the most homophobic people I grew up with ended up being gay or bi-sexual.  But because of their conservative upbringing they not only hid it but were vocally anti-gay.

I realized at one point that all the gay bashers stridently claiming being gay was a choice should not be dismissed out of hand. What do they base this on? One can only conclude that they have faced that choice and decided that they want to be heterosexual.

A clever friend of mine was with some conservatives many years ago. The conservos were insisting it was a choice. My friend suggested, "Okay. If it's a choice, why don't we all choose to be gay for the next 15 minutes." I've remembered that because it was, IMHO, brilliant.

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3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

. My friend suggested, "Okay. If it's a choice, why don't we all choose to be gay for the next 15 minutes." I've remembered that because it was, IMHO, brilliant.

What happened next?

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Posted
1 hour ago, mdmost said:

Disappointed it's not Walz but Beshar is a good move if that's the plan. Red State Governor who can appeal to the middle. I've heard from people in Kentucky that south Pennsylvania is referred to as Pennsytucky because they share a lot of the same demos. If he can appeal to that portion and help wrap up PA then let's go. Walz will be there to help out. 

Southwest PA is a little different than the rest of rural PA. PA used to be referred to as a T because the southeast corner was Philly and suburbs and strongly democrat. Southwest PA was the land of steel mills and coal mines and unions. It was a place where unions made a real fucking difference in towns where they’d send young kids into the mines and people worked long hours 6 days a week and were in debt to the company store. It’s a place where the changes that unions ushered in made a massive positive difference in people’s lives. And because of that it was solidly democratic from FDR through Kerry. McGovern was the only democrat that lost southwestern PA I’m that time. In that respect it has a lot in common with WV and eastern Kentucky. WV was a swing state and blue more often than not for most of the 20th century. 

And then a black man ran for president and SW PA was lost for at least a generation. 

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38 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

 

25 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If Project 2025 was popular, Trump would have embraced it.  When somebody around him saw that it was turning off a shitload of people, it had to go.

They'd already lied about it not being part of the campaign. Why should anyone take this denial seriously? 

That's a map to hell in your hand.

I disavow this map.

But you still have it.

No, I don't...

It's just not the positive that they assumed it would be with the same inability to read a room as individual Trumpists who bleat on and on thinking everyone must surely agree with them.

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Posted
24 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

Just call him a liar. Once he gets in office, it’s a project 2025 full steam ahead. Hammer that point.

Ab-so-fucking-lutely.   I think Pete said it best:

 

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Posted
36 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Now press him on if he plans on hiring any of the P2025 guys into his administration.   "Shutting down the website" isn't enough.   

 he'll just lie about it. 

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Posted
34 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

Now press him on if he plans on hiring any of the P2025 guys into his administration.   "Shutting down the website" isn't enough.   

Does anyone remember this stunt?

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Exact same thing.

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Does anyone remember this stunt?

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Exact same thing.

Him getting away with this with basically zero scrutiny from anyone was one of my first "oh shit" moments of his Presidency.

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