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Posted
1 hour ago, Chopper said:

 

It’s gross the right is trying to equate him to a political or positive cultural figure. He was a fucking racist, hateful podcaster spewing propaganda. 

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1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

It’s gross the right is trying to equate him to a political or positive cultural figure. He was a fucking racist, hateful podcaster spewing propaganda. 

Just like MLK!

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1 hour ago, Chopper said:

FBI offering $100k reward for info leading to arrest. Seems a bit soon for that which tells me they've come up with nothing. They waited for 4 days after the United Healthcare exec was shot and even then it was just $50k.

Probably wasn’t a good idea to gut and run off all of those federal agents, was it? 

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On top of all the previous quotes and statements being brought up, I remember that Charlie Kirk pioneered the online troll army's in America. He on optimizes the tactics, growing his army over the years, you conservatives and wod use them to manipulate conversations and narratives online and in Social Media: https://ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/09/16/conservative-group-accused-of-running-troll-like-social-media-campaign

He also fined much of the Stop The Steal efforts, provides abuses and organized hundreds if not thousands of people to go to the Capital on January 6th. He wasn't just a mouthpiece, ragebating folks online, he was organizing a white Christian nationalist army to take over the government. And by any means necessary.

Doesn't mean he deserves to be killed, but he was much more influencial in the chaos of our country, than many people realized.

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Probably wasn’t a good idea to gut and run off all of those federal agents, was it? 
They were never going to catch him anyway. He's already returned to the future where his daughter will now be able to get the medical treatment Grand Wizard Emperor Kirk won't allow.
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15 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Cheering. Fuck off. Not once did I support the shooting, defend it, or excuse it. I was pushing back that he was some "unifier" and promoted peace. That was it. 

Missing the point, indeed.

Apologies - I meant to highlight that the quotes you chose are indeed indicative of how divisive Kirk was and that in of itself is not a reason to shoot the guy.

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Posted
15 minutes ago, Red Five said:


Is this a joke?

What do you find funny about it?  That people should have the right to free speech even if they say stupid things?

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20 minutes ago, caliHORNia said:

 

I think you, and everyone cheering, is missing the point.  I am not a Charlie Kirk fan but, in America, one is allowed to be stupid.  It is everyone's right to have opinions that are not the same as yours (or mine) without the threat of violence.

Charlie engaged in war of words.  If people are not capable of countering those words with words of their own, the answer is not to shoot the other person.

I hate the Left and the Right - while agreeing with some issues from both - and I should feel free to have those conversations / debate without fear of losing my life.

This shooting, and others like it, impact all of us negatively no matter what your beliefs are.  It should not be celebrated.

Hola left coaster. While I agree celebrating a murder is a bridge too far, I think you have run afoul of the tolerance paradox. A quick reminder: The paradox of tolerance, most notably discussed by philosopher Karl Popper, suggests that if a society practices absolute tolerance, it risks allowing intolerant groups to gain power and destroy the principle of tolerance itself. So, tolerating a racist misogynistic propagandist is not in our society’s best interest. Pushing back includes dialogue, scorn, ridicule, and opprobrium. 
 

Hope this helps.

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I don't want to live in a country where asshole provocateurs can't say what they want to without fear of being shot.

I also don't want to live in a country where goons in masks using racial profiling terrorize people.

I don't think I ever listened to two complete sentences spoken by Charles James Kirk.

That's all I have to say about this.

 

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12 minutes ago, Vertuzzi said:

Probably wasn’t a good idea to gut and run off all of those federal agents, was it? 

In a lot of ways, the FBI wasn't really "all that" to begin with.  So, some pruning and redefining mission was not inappropriate.

But, as with all things Trump, right question ("does the FBI kinda suck"?), wrong answer.

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1 minute ago, Willfully Horn said:

Hola left coaster. While I agree celebrating a murder is a bridge too far, I think you have run afoul of the tolerance paradox. A quick reminder: The paradox of tolerance, most notably discussed by philosopher Karl Popper, suggests that if a society practices absolute tolerance, it risks allowing intolerant groups to gain power and destroy the principle of tolerance itself. so, tolerating a racist misogynistic propagandist is not in our society’s best interest. Pushing back includes dialogue, scorn, ridicule, and opprobrium. 
 

Hope this helps.

I think you've misread me nor is murder an appropriate response by your own definition.  If you don't agree with someone - especially someone as powerful as Kirk - one should absolutely not tolerate it.  Nor should you murder them.

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22 minutes ago, caliHORNia said:

 

I think you, and everyone cheering, is missing the point.  I am not a Charlie Kirk fan but, in America, one is allowed to be stupid.  It is everyone's right to have opinions that are not the same as yours (or mine) without the threat of violence.

Charlie engaged in war of words.  If people are not capable of countering those words with words of their own, the answer is not to shoot the other person.

I hate the Left and the Right - while agreeing with some issues from both - and I should feel free to have those conversations / debate without fear of losing my life.

This shooting, and others like it, impact all of us negatively no matter what your beliefs are.  It should not be celebrated.

Showing what Charlie Kirk actually stood for isn't cheering. You can believe that this shouldn't happen to anyone and that he was a massive piece of shit. Both are true. Period.

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2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

I honestly can't believe how many middle-aged people I know are all broken up about this.  I had no idea.

Honestly, it will make leaving this country behind forever in a few years very easy.

I used to have these neighbors...super nice people. I knew they were churchy, but seemed like the feed the hungry and care for the sick type. He worked in tech, she worked in the office at the elementary school. Always seemed happy, nice to everyone, never seen them post anything even remotely political on social media. He was one of the few guys in the neighborhood who checked up on me repeatedly after my divorce. She was absolutely off her rocker yesterday on FB. Like really ripped the mask off shockingly angry. 

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1 hour ago, coachherman'sgrill said:

FB is wild. I can't post it but there's a new pic of him circulating holding the bible in one hand with the American flag draped over him with Mt. Rushmore in the background. Why is the racist, bigot, pro-2A dead guy getting memorialized?

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17 minutes ago, DreadHead said:

He also fined much of the Stop The Steal efforts, provides abuses and organized hundreds if not thousands of people to go to the Capital on January 6th. He wasn't just a mouthpiece, ragebating folks online, he was organizing a white Christian nationalist army to take over the government. And by any means necessary.

he literally paid for the bus ticket of the guy who beat a cop with a fire extinguisher

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1 minute ago, caliHORNia said:

Nor should you murder them.

Fair point. What say we wait for the facts to be known about the murderer? He might have been shot for reasons other than opposing his hateful rhetoric. Apparently, paydays on the far, far, right felt he wasn’t hateful enough.

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20 minutes ago, Vertuzzi said:

Probably wasn’t a good idea to gut and run off all of those federal agents, was it? 

Sure it was.  If your goal is to rile up your cult with accusations and suppositions and lies, as opposed to actually arresting and trying the murderer using the actual facts.

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7 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Showing what Charlie Kirk actually stood for isn't cheering. You can believe that this shouldn't happen to anyone and that he was a massive piece of shit. Both are true. Period.

I don't think I made a point different than that - I may have simply chosen the wrong post to quote.

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4 hours ago, Gap03 said:

The actual evidence won't matter.  We're going to have 2 (or more) versions of the "truth" on this, especially with the MAGA-fication of the FBI. 

Going forward, red states are going to start trying to change the laws of criminal procedure so that they can convict folks in "politically-motivated/involved" crimes by majority decision, since getting a unanimous verdict is going to be increasingly difficult in this environment. 

Also, that "senior law enforcement official," he's on the list now, buddy.

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10 minutes ago, The Original Greaser Bob said:

I don't want to live in a country where asshole provocateurs can't say what they want to without fear of being shot.

I also don't want to live in a country where goons in masks using racial profiling terrorize people.

I don't think I ever listened to two complete sentences spoken by Charles James Kirk.

That's all I have to say about this.

 

I don't want to either,  but we do live in that country. And it's 100 percent the fault of republican rhetoric and fear mongering. 

Realistically, what other reality could possibly come from all the hate speech and demonizing of immigrants and non whites by republican led Fox News, trump, and all these social media hate mongers like Kirk? In what reality does allowing that behavior to fester lead to peace and prosperity? Once you analyze the situation with clarity and rationality it becomes crystal clear who is to blame for our current state. 

And freedom of speech isn't freedom to incite violence against marginalized groups of people. That should have always been severely punished. Americans just got way too lax and complacent, believing in their own exceptionalism bullshit. 

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Posted (edited)
41 minutes ago, caliHORNia said:

 

I think you, and everyone cheering, is missing the point.  I am not a Charlie Kirk fan but, in America, one is allowed to be stupid.  It is everyone's right to have opinions that are not the same as yours (or mine) without the threat of violence.

Charlie engaged in war of words.  If people are not capable of countering those words with words of their own, the answer is not to shoot the other person.

I hate the Left and the Right - while agreeing with some issues from both - and I should feel free to have those conversations / debate without fear of losing my life.

This shooting, and others like it, impact all of us negatively no matter what your beliefs are.  It should not be celebrated.

Define war of words. 

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Just now, Hermanator said:

I don't want to either,  but we do live in that country. And it's 100 percent the fault of republican rhetoric and fear mongering. 

Realistically, what other reality could possibly come from all the hate speech and demonizing of immigrants and non whites by republican led Fox News, trump, and all these social media hate mongers like Kirk? In what reality does allowing that behavior to fester lead to peace and prosperity? Once you analyze the situation with clarity and rationality it becomes crystal clear who is to blame for our current state. 

And freedom of speech isn't freedom to incite violence against marginalized groups of people. That should have always been severely punished. Americans just got way too lax and complacent, believing in their own exceptionalism bullshit. 

Bottom line is, you push that much hate out into the world, it can't be surprising that some of it boomerangs back on you.  That's just actions/consequences.

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9 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I used to have these neighbors...super nice people. I knew they were churchy, but seemed like the feed the hungry and care for the sick type. He worked in tech, she worked in the office at the elementary school. Always seemed happy, nice to everyone, never seen them post anything even remotely political on social media. He was one of the few guys in the neighborhood who checked up on me repeatedly after my divorce. She was absolutely off her rocker yesterday on FB. Like really ripped the mask off shockingly angry. 

Yeah, like people I used to work with 25 years ago and kept in Facebook touch with, and if I'd had to guess, I would've said they're probably Republicans (in Houston), but hopefully not full-blown MAGA since they're bright, educated, seemingly reasonable folks.

Nope, they ALL revered this guy as some free speech icon and beacon of Christianity standing up to a Leftist world.

It's depressing, really.  People who should know better just...  Don't.

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17 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I used to have these neighbors...super nice people. I knew they were churchy, but seemed like the feed the hungry and care for the sick type. He worked in tech, she worked in the office at the elementary school. Always seemed happy, nice to everyone, never seen them post anything even remotely political on social media. He was one of the few guys in the neighborhood who checked up on me repeatedly after my divorce. She was absolutely off her rocker yesterday on FB. Like really ripped the mask off shockingly angry. 

I’m gonna go out on a limb and guess that guy was coming around after your divorce because he wanted you to cuckold him. Was she hot?

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19 minutes ago, 'stache said:

This is the cunt they are deifying. Just saw the fucking Yankees things, god damn fuck that club. This whole thing gets more and more disgusting by the minute. But remember, it's everyone else whose speach promotes violence.

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So he was a terrorist too.  Unsurprising.  

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I have seen sympathy from lower tier bankers and investors on Linkedin. I knew they were idiots but linkedin posting about any of this proves it. 

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2 minutes ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

SIAP but we live is the dumbest timeline and this proves it:

 

 

 

pass the gun regulation and reform we've been asking for for the last 25 years in his honor and the day after Trump signs that law I'll pay for the statute myself. 

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Posted
2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Can someone give me the exact quote about school shootings being worth it to protect the second amendment 

There’s this crazy contraption called the Internet you could use. Might be able to find it there 

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In addressing the need to reduce gun violence, we know what works. Shame on us for lacking the courage to do the right and just thing:

The assault weapons ban was part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, which included a "sunset provision" mandating that the law expire after 10 years unless renewed by Congress. 

After the ban expired, the average number of mass shooting deaths per year increased significantly compared to the period when the ban was in effect.

One 2024 study suggested that if the ban had been renewed in 2004, it could have prevented as many as 38 additional mass shootings between 2005 and 2022. 

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6 minutes ago, Sbbruin said:

Bottom line is, you push that much hate out into the world, it can't be surprising that some of it boomerangs back on you.  That's just actions/consequences.

Exactly. This is inevitable given the last 45 years of American history, and the US's refusal to get a grip on the gun crisis combined with zero control over hate speech on the internet. Violence is the only way this could go. And unless they stand down and start behaving with civility again (they won't), it will only get worse and worse.

It will culminate in a strongman with competence taking control of the country and subjugation the population with brutality. That is the future  because the right wing refuses to back off their hate speech and lunacy. 

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5 minutes ago, wackawacka said:

I have seen sympathy from lower tier bankers and investors on Linkedin. I knew they were idiots but linkedin posting about any of this proves it. 

Reminds me of a guy I know professionally that sells some pretty high dollar imaging equipment in the healthcare space. The dude started spamming LinkedIn with the craziest right wing propaganda a few years back. I finally got fed up with seeing his political hot takes every single time that I opened the app that I removed him as a connection and made a note to myself to never buy another piece of equipment from him again. I don’t know how dumb people have to be to post that kind of shit on what is supposed to be a professional networking app. 

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1 hour ago, Evil Bill Obrien said:

What was Dog the Bounty Hunter busy doing something else?

See Ya Dog GIF by DefyTV

Probably at some 4th tier non denominational church that meets in a warehouse in east Texas. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Any one of us goes into a biker bar and starts yelling how bikers are trash, scum, and the lowest of the low. How long do you think we last before getting seriously hurt or killed? Go and sit in the middle of a Eagles game with your Cowboys shit on, hurling insults at all the people around you. What's the amount of time before you get stomped out? All of us conduct ourselves in a way to promote self preservation. As soon as you start with hateful rhetoric your life expectancy goes down. People shouldn't be violent, but people also shouldn't poke the bear. Most of us know that and conduct ourselves accordingly. Charlie Kirk did not and didn't make it to year 31. 

So many right wingers are pointing the finger at liberals today instead of looking in the mirror. If Charlie Kirk was a branch manager at his local Wells Fargo, he would be coming home for dinner tonight. Instead he spent a decade spewing hate to the masses and ultimately it caught up to him, just as much as it would if you and I went in that biker bar every day talking crazy. Quit blaming us. Look in the mirror. Bruce Willis wasn't going to make it very long holding that sign either. 

And all of this assumes that it's because of his hateful rhetoric.

There's a better than 50% chance it's because it wasn't hateful enough, or directed at the right people.

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Posted
5 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

 

 

 

I think that that pretty accurately reflects how absolutely dishonest some of the reductionist descriptions of his positions are. 

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1 minute ago, royiv said:

Reminds me of a guy I know professionally that sells some pretty high dollar imaging equipment in the healthcare space. The dude started spamming LinkedIn with the craziest right wing propaganda a few years back. I finally got fed up with seeing his political hot takes every single time that I opened the app that I removed him as a connection and made a note to myself to never buy another piece of equipment from him again. I don’t know how dumb people have to be to post that kind of shit on what is supposed to be a professional networking app. 

When topics are derailed on this board, I usually shrug or am the offender, although some of the hand slapping fights between known agitators and their opponents get old. But someone doing what you describe in that type of setting--LinkedIn, professional accts, etc and I seriously question their mental fitness--in terms of them losing their sense of appropriateness and rationality. It's as if the propaganda has taken up so much mental space in their thoughts that they cannot let it go and it bleeds over into every waking moment/utterance. We've talked about that on this forum with various users describing their parents when they go home for the holidays, but people like you describe are not retired, perhaps even home-bound elders. It's weird, really weird.

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