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1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Besides your own? 

Are you saying I believe my own press clippings? As far as the experts are concerned the Rainey Street Ripper is a phantom, a ghost, a figment of our imagination. I guess that’s “winning?” 

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17 minutes ago, Laguna said:

You're saying his rhetoric wasn't "peaceful". So, then what does that mean to you? I don't want to put words in your mouth.

Answered before you asked. It’s divisive, hateful, and racist. @Covri put together a quick summary of Kirk’s rhetoric, if you’d like to read the quotes I was commenting upon, and from which I based my opinion. 

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Well, Bye!    

Charlie Kirk's core beliefs centered on a fusion of Christian nationalismpopulist conservatism, and free-market principles, which he promoted through his organization, Turning Point USA. His views evolved from a secular stance to a more religiously integrated one, embracing concepts like the "Seven Mountains Mandate" and opposing LGBTQ+ rights, immigration, and critical race theory. Regarding his education, Kirk founded Turning Point USA as a high school senior and later studied at Liberty University, where he became involved with the Standing for Freedom Center
Core Beliefs
 
  • Christian Nationalism and the Seven Mountains Mandate: Kirk integrated his Christian beliefs with political activism, particularly through the "Seven Mountains Mandate," which encourages Christians to exert influence in seven key cultural spheres: religion, family, education, government, media, arts/entertainment, and business. He also advocated for a Christian identity for the United States and opposed strict separation of church and state. 
  • Anti-Woke Populism: Kirk was a vocal critic of "wokeism" and promoted a confrontational, culture-war-oriented conservatism. He also championed the principles of free markets and limited government. 
  • Social and Cultural Issues: He was highly critical of LGBTQ+ rights and "gender ideology," and a strong supporter of gun rights, even acknowledging the potential for gun deaths as a cost for the Second Amendment. 
  • Immigration and Race: Kirk supported anti-immigration policies and, in some instances, endorsed the Great Replacement Theory, which claims white Americans are being replaced by immigrants. 
Education and Early Life
 
  • Founding Turning Point USA: Kirk founded Turning Point USA in 2012 while still a high school senior to promote conservative viewpoints among young people. 
  • Liberty University: He later attended Liberty University, a prominent evangelical institution. He was involved with its Standing for Freedom Center and participated in its events. 
  • Early Secular Stance: Initially, Kirk held a more secular viewpoint, arguing that his role as a political activist was not to proselytize his faith. However, this evolved into a more overtly Christian and religiously integrated political philosophy. 
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9 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

That depends on the wound and immediate response.

12 years ago my son severed his femoral artery in his upper thigh with an electric hand saw. 
He was alone in a house he was renovating, standing chest deep in a hole in the wood floor cutting some framing when the saw hit a nail and kicked back.

He pulled himself out as quickly as he could, laid on the floor with his leg propped up on a box, then took off his belt and used it as a tourniquet around his upper thigh. He dialed 911 on the cell phone we had given him just a few months prior (his wife, a hippie Luddite, had been very reluctant to use such gadgets) and waited for the EMS which luckily was stationed only 3 or 4 blocks away in North Austin.

When the responder crew arrived and walked in the door, one of the guys looked at the blood sprayed all over the floor, walls, & ceiling he exclaimed loudly, ”Holy shit!”. The ensuing ambulance ride out of the neighborhood down to Brackenridge Hospital was a miserable pain every time they went over a speed bump. 
But son owes his life to those EMS responders and the wonderful staff in the ER. Plus his own Boy Scout training. 
After the surgery the doctor said he had bled out at least three liters, and was surprised he had not gone into cardiac arrest. 
Son was still white as a sheet of paper when we saw him in the ICU.

It took 6 months for him to recover full use of his leg and get back to normal.

 

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This is an actual CSB. I appreciate the telling and I’m glad you're son is ok

Posted
13 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Quoting the Bible is an act of violence? 

Quoting a passage of the Bible calling for gay people to be put to death is not exactly peace and love

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“Less than an hour ahead of a planned news conference, the Utah Department of Public Safety called off the 2:45 p.m. ET (12:45 p.m. MT) event, citing 'rapid developments in our investigation.'

Authorities said they would release an updated time later Thursday.

A search for the suspect in Kirk’s killing was ongoing and authorities have released images of a person of interest, as well as offered a reward for information and solicited help from the public.“

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2 minutes ago, 'stache said:

If it was a disguise to fit in he fucking nailed it.

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Police: We are looking for a young white guy

Public: Okay

Police: In Utah....

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17 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

Quoting the Bible is an act of violence? 

Today it sure is. If you exhort a public gathering for participants in a stoning of someone who is working on the Sabbath, and you use the relevant quote in your entreaty, you are absolutely committing a violent act.

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4 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Today it sure is. If you exhort a public gathering for participants in a stoning of someone who is working on the Sabbath, and you use the relevant quote in your entreaty, you are absolutely committing a violent act.

speech is not violence

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1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Good summary of this story, also.

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On the one positive side, yesterday's events resulted in zero coverage allotted to yesterday's school shooter in Colorado. 

...not that a school shooting with minimal body count would have gotten much pub anyway.

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1 minute ago, aggie08 said:

On the one positive side, yesterday's events resulted in zero coverage allotted to yesterday's school shooter in Colorado. 

...not that a school shooting with minimal body count would have gotten much pub anyway.

Thankfully I saw that the only fatality so far was the kid that killed himself. One kid is in critical condition. 

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19 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Police: We are looking for a young white guy

Public: Okay

Police: In Utah....

a cartoon drawing of a robot with the words oh my god above it

Right? White guy at a Charlie Kirk rally in Utah. 

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SIAP, saw NYT made a comment-- Andrew Ross Sorkin who I've always respected (and his book TBTF was awesome):

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Good morning. Andrew here. I knew Charlie Kirk. His assassination is a travesty, whether you agreed with his views or not. We had just been texting over the weekend. He was an unusual political activist: forceful and committed to his views, but uniquely open to hearing opposing perspectives — and even seeking them out, not only to better understand them but even to shift his own opinion.

We had a number of thoughtful debates. Kirk sent me a note on Sunday about the way he thought the “mainstream media” was underplaying the murder of a Ukrainian refugee in North Carolina. We went back and forth about it, and while he probably saw me as part of the mainstream media, it was a genuinely respectful dialogue. His appeal to many young people through social media makes his death a profound blow to a generation of his followers.

There is a much bigger issue we need to confront as a nation: the rising level of targeted violence, whether against politicians like President Trump, corporate figures like the president of UnitedHealthcare or N.F.L. employees who may have been the intended victims of the Midtown Manhattan shooter this summer.

All these attacks may seem unrelated, but political and other targeted violence in America cannot be ignored. Something feels different about this moment — about the normalization of violence in our culture. The question is how to solve it. We often write about leadership in this newsletter; right now, we could use more of it.

 

 

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Posted
22 minutes ago, Laguna said:

speech is not violence

So the president is wrong that "the libruls" caused this by criticizing him and his cohorts. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

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1 hour ago, Laguna said:

speech is not violence

Penalties for a Terroristic Threats Conviction in Texas Class B misdemeanor: Jail term of up to 180 days, and/or a fine of up to $2,000. Class A misdemeanor: Jail term of up to one year, and/or a fine of up to $4,000. State jail felony: State jail term of 180 days to two years, and a potential fine of up to $10,000.

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3 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

SIAP, saw NYT made a comment-- Andrew Ross Sorkin who I've always respected (and his book TBTF was awesome):

 

I have no idea who that is but the fact that he doesn't mention Melissa Hortman or Paul Pelosi is very noticable.

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5 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

s — and even seeking them out, not only to better understand them but even to shift his own opinion.

I never followed him. Has/can anyone cite an example, or better yet multiple examples, of him shifting his opinion after hearing from others?  Specifically changing towards a more moderate position. 

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5 minutes ago, 'stache said:

So the president is wrong that "the libruls" caused this by criticizing him and his cohorts. Thanks for confirming what we already knew.

@Laguna must be apoplectic that the president is pushing the false narrative that speech is violence

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Donald Trump blamed “the radical left” for the shooting and promised a crackdown, saying its “rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today and it must stop right now”.

 

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I never followed him. Has/can anyone cite an example, or better yet multiple examples, of him shifting his opinion after hearing from others?  Specifically changing towards a more moderate position. 

I couldn't tell you because I actually wasn't aware of Charlie Kirk's specific opinions before all this. I thought of his name as a far right panderer who does social media and influencing and only heard his name. Like a Candace Owens type. It seems people thought of him as more legitimate about that and gave him fame/infamy.

That said, I've always thought well and generally think people thought well of Andrew Ross Sorkin as a journalist, so maybe this colors opinions of him, that is for you to decide for yourself.

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38 minutes ago, Laguna said:

speech is not violence

speech is not violence but books inspire a man to suck a dick and must be banned?

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23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I never followed him. Has/can anyone cite an example, or better yet multiple examples, of him shifting his opinion after hearing from others?  Specifically changing towards a more moderate position. 

I came across an example of him doing the exact opposite. From Will Sommer's Bulwark article:

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The main source of their disagreement centered on Kirk’s support for legal immigration. Kirk had once said that a green card should be given to every foreign student who receives a diploma from an American university. But after Fuentes whipped his “groyper” fanbase into a frenzy they dubbed the “Groyper War”—and after Fuentes supporters began crashing TPUSA events on college campuses—Kirk shifted far to the right. This year, Kirk called for a moratorium on even legal immigration from the “third world.”

The transition didn’t just underscore the degree to which nativism and restrictive views on immigration had become driving forces of Republican politics. It said something about Kirk, too. He cared more about maintaining the connection to his audience than about the consistency of his convictions. Perhaps Knowles and Johnson were right: Maybe Kirk could have been president.

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/why-charlie-kirk-mattered-so-much

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33 minutes ago, 'stache said:

I have no idea who that is but the fact that he doesn't mention Melissa Hortman or Paul Pelosi is very noticable.

Andrew Ross Sorkin is one of three hosts of the business show "Squawk Box" on from 5-8 am central on CNBC.  He would be the liberal side of the scale to Joe Kernan, with Becky Quick providing a tonic to the trio. Ive watched or listened to that show for 30 years. 

 

The point of his note or article (not sure what the context of what's posted above) is made by referencing 3 instances of targeted attacks, all within the last few mos, no need to go deeper or source more imo.

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If I’m reading my cynical tea leaves right I am assuming the next presser will be either to announce the motive and/or the identity of the assassin. The FBi pushed it back due to rapid developments and also that Bongino and Patel are both en route to Utah for I am assuming the presser I am expecting some significant new information. That’s how I am choosing to read this information. 

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4 hours ago, CowboyFred said:

Actually, I would think another likely scenario would be an alt right group wanting to create chaos and enrage the right against the left to advance their own agenda. Both are very plausible #NoCR

I would not have thought this until I saw the reaction from the far right pundits... 'see we told you, this is a war!'.  Definitely made me think twice...

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1 minute ago, Nicole44 said:

If I’m reading my cynical tea leaves right I am assuming the next presser will be either to announce the motive and/or the identity of the assassin. The FBi pushed it back due to rapid developments and also that Bongino and Patel are both en route to Utah for I am assuming the presser I am expecting some significant new information. That’s how I am choosing to read this information. 

sure hope so.  It was not a good look for the head of FBI to announce they had someone in custody, only to retract within an hour.   At that level, you shouldn't be making things public unless you are 1000% accurate, not a good look to be wrong in that situation.

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2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I would not have thought this until I saw the reaction from the far right pundits... 'see we told you, this is a war!'.  Definitely made me think twice...

"Epstein" is not trending on twitter for the first time in over a month.

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2 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

sure hope so.  It was not a good look for the head of FBI to announce they had someone in custody, only to retract within an hour.   At that level, you shouldn't be making things public unless you are 1000% accurate, not a good look to be wrong in that situation.

I hope so too. My best cynical guess would be the conference will include Patel/Bongino hence pushing it back but I don’t think it’s just so they could be there. Yeah…it’s not like they couldn’t do that but I like to HOPE it’s ALSO that they have the suspect OR his identity. We don’t need a lone assassin on the loose with so far as of yet a motive. 

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