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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Our government's mushmouthed approach to the truth is infuriating.  Just stop dancing around the issue.

What lay people kinda know is that the vaccine helps reduce or nearly eliminate severe illness, hospitalization, and death.  What is not commonly known is how well the vaccine protects against CATCHING the virus in the first place.  There are probably data out there, but the average Joe doesn't read JAMA, etc.

A direct quote from CDC:

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting COVID-19, especially severe illness and death. COVID-19 vaccines reduce the risk of people spreading the virus that causes COVID-19.

What exactly does that mean?  What % of fully vaccinated Americans catch covid compared to unvaccinated Americans?  How fucking hard is this?  The messaging failures are infuriating.  The truth is always the best approach.
 

 

Israel early data was 64% against infection and 94% against severe infection. More recent data suggest both of those are too high, but they aren't reporting specifics. They are checking for statistical issues. It doesn't sound like good news. 

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484

 

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Back then, the ministry said the vaccine was 64 percent effective in preventing infection and 93 percent effective in preventing serious illness. But figures presented Sunday evening to the coronavirus task force indicate that both numbers were too high

 

Data supposed to be released later this week. 

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6 hours ago, Chuckie Finster said:

I think my favorite Trumpkin move is where they ignore all opinions from doctors until they find one that agrees with them.

As somebody who works on climate science, this is a very, very well worn path.

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Just now, cactusflinthead said:

 

In all seriousness, if a drop of 2% in the market leads 2% of the population to get vaccinated that otherwise wouldn’t have, it’s worth it. I’m glad they are finally turning up the notch. Hopefully they continue to do so. 

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Jesus Christ on a big wheel, this feels like when my best buddy and I had to practically escort his dumbass little brother through high school.  Oh, NOW Sean Hannity is (sorta) espousing somewhat reasonable advice as far as the vaccine goes?

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the red base dying off at an increasingly precipitous rate, now, could it?

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

If Fox is looking for a way to get on the vaccine side of things without having to eat crow, I'm totally fine with them telling everyone Delta variant is way worse, we were right about the original one, but now you really should get a shot.  Don't really care if they do some touchdown dance.  Let's just all get on the side of shots.

I no longer care what they do so long as they have the common decency to crawl into the woods and die alone to spare us from their stupidity. It’s caused enough damage to this country already and we finally have a chance to swing things back to normalcy.

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47 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

In all seriousness, if a drop of 2% in the market leads 2% of the population to get vaccinated that otherwise wouldn’t have, it’s worth it. I’m glad they are finally turning up the notch. Hopefully they continue to do so. 

Agree.

Covid is a economic headwind for the economy (households as well). The vaccine truthers create unfunded negative externalities that ripple through every sector (households as well). They are free riders in the economic sense of that term. 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3901764/

Those who cannot get vaccinated are not free riders. By definition, they cannot vaccinate. The willingly unvaccinated threaten those most vulnerable who cannot vaccinate. Immoral. 

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Agree.
Covid is a economic headwind for the economy (households as well). The vaccine truthers create unfunded negative externalities that ripple through every sector (households as well). They are free riders in the economic sense of that term. 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3901764/
Those who cannot get vaccinated are not free riders. By definition, they cannot vaccinate. The willingly unvaccinated threaten those most vulnerable who cannot vaccinate. Immoral. 

100% this. Zero responsibility for anything associated with the common good. No society can survive that.
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9 hours ago, GRHorn said:

So vaccinate kids with a novel vaccine under emergency use authorization for a disease that rarely causes them serious harm, that they don’t spread as much as adults, to protect adults. That is a truly warped, selfish view.
 

Tell me you don’t have kids, without telling me you don’t have kids. 

Killer troll posts again.

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4 hours ago, Pods said:

Israel early data was 64% against infection and 94% against severe infection. More recent data suggest both of those are too high, but they aren't reporting specifics. They are checking for statistical issues. It doesn't sound like good news. 

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/health-ministry-fears-vaccine-s-effectiveness-against-delta-is-even-below-64-1.10011484

 

 

Data supposed to be released later this week. 

Gonna be following this closely. Supposedly the fact that almost everyone there is vaccinated may be skewing the data. Hopefully that's the case. 

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15 hours ago, GRHorn said:

So vaccinate kids with a novel vaccine under emergency use authorization for a disease that rarely causes them serious harm, that they don’t spread as much as adults, to protect adults. That is a truly warped, selfish view.
 

Tell me you don’t have kids, without telling me you don’t have kids. 

In Soviet Russia troll forum bans you!

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1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

He'll be back.  His fuckboi fans in DT will revive him.

At least under that username, he's recognizable. GRHorn is a dedicated troll and is already posting under at least one more handle. 

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39 minutes ago, Js1 said:

He’s become a low effort troll. It’s not even entertaining anymore, it’s just pathetic 

Everyone recognizes what he is now and calls him out on the regular. He's clearly been committing Sepuku with his low effort posts. 

He wanted to get banned, because he has at least one other username already going. 

He's not leaving.

This is what he does. 

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7 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

I’m beginning to believe lawmakers have been briefed on how bad this is about to get again and they’re freaked out. And may have leaked it to the Fox News folks too.
 

They're starting to find out that they were going to be finding out real soon. 

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In reading the NYTimes covid page, its pretty scary. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Over the last 2 weeks, the Times is showing a +198% increase in cases, +45% in hospitalizations and +44% in deaths. BUT the crazy part is that the # of tests are down 13% over that timeframe.  That many fewer tests is a puzzling change and makes me wonder if there are even that many more cases out there undetected or the person just assumes they have covid. 

As far as what everyone is saying above, Congress probably has been told to expect the Missouri, Arkansas and Florida worsening conditions to be nationwide soon. And that the Delta virus won't spread as slowly as the original.

 

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1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Gritty strikes again!

 

As Bama Chick mentioned, this must explain why Fox News is now wanting its viewers to get vaccinated.  the more MAGA supporters contract the Delta variant and die, the fewer R voters there will be in 2024 to support Trump.

Biden could get all of them to vaccinate next week.  just come out and say, "Hey MAGA, don't get vaccinated.  More of you will die and won't be able to support Trump in 2024.  That benefits the Dems.  Thanks!"  vaccine sites would be flooded by MAGA.

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COVID deaths will not get into electorally significant numbers, so I don't think that is the reasons.  2MM deaths nationwide is less than 5,000 per congressional district.  Half don't vote. Then even if it is 2-1 Rs dying, that's like an 800 vote net gain.   You'd have to really nail the distribution exactly on a close race to matter in even a single congressional election.

I think they are out of an election year and don't feel like they are risking anything by supporting it now.  The delta variant makes for convenient excuse to switch because they can claim it is something different and not a change of position. 

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It was easier to prop up the echo chamber of "Question the vaccines" for ratings/poll numbers when cases continued trending downward and the vaxxed were doing the heavy lifting of herd immunity. But it's about to get bad, and they all know they're complicit. Plus... they. are. all. vaccinated.

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32 minutes ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

COVID deaths will not get into electorally significant numbers, so I don't think that is the reasons.  2MM deaths nationwide is less than 5,000 per congressional district.  Half don't vote. Then even if it is 2-1 Rs dying, that's like an 800 vote net gain.   You'd have to really nail the distribution exactly on a close race to matter in even a single congressional election.

I think they are out of an election year and don't feel like they are risking anything by supporting it now.  The delta variant makes for convenient excuse to switch because they can claim it is something different and not a change of position. 

While I agree deaths might not impact the vote that much, there are going to be a lot of people who get really sick, and fall behind financially, or lose their jobs.  Not to mention things already creeping higher like food and building supplies.    All that can be laid at the feet of leaders who didn't take covid seriously, much less misdirected their public.   If the Dems are smart, they play this up.

 

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1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

I’m beginning to believe lawmakers have been briefed on how bad this is about to get again and they’re freaked out. And may have leaked it to the Fox News folks too.
 

After the market meltdown yesterday, Fox and the Republicans magically came around.

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