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Ugh these shootings suck.

I’ll admit when one of these major shooting events happen. I hope or cross my fingers that the shooter was either killed by a cop or the shooter killed themselves.

I hate the “ good guy with a gun” theory that conservatives are so obsessed with. I don’t want conservatives to have anything to celebrate, point to, or use from these disasters. All I want conservatives to do is send their weird and awkward “thoughts and prayers” tweets because we know they aren’t doing shit to help the victims or stop this from happening.

if conservatives aren’t going to help us fix problems like shootings and abortions then fuck them.

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5 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

I grew up in Texas. Born and raised.

I knew gun owners. My dad. My uncle. Both long deceased. 

Dad was a Korean War vet. Went to UT on the GI Bill. A proud engineer who also liked to hunt and owned a shotgun.  

My uncle was a WW2 vet, served in the European Theater against the Nazis. A proud rancher, he owned a shotgun (for hunting) and rifle (for shooting coyotes, rattlers, and big ass rats that got into the grain for the cattle). 

Gun ownership was never part of their cultural or masculine identity. Proud vets? Yep! Gun worshippers? Nope. NEVER!

Their masculine and cultural identities were expressed in honesty, hard work, a firm handshake, looking people in the eyes when talking, raising their kids to be honest, hard-working, treating people with respect, and getting college degrees. When I walked with my PhD from UT, my dad (not the emotional type) teared up and hugged me tight. He was proud. 

A gun decal on my uncle's F-150s. Lulz. A Second Amendment decal on my dad's cars. Lulz. 

Bottom line: These Texas men did not need a killing machine to give them an identity. They got it through the lives they lived, the families they loved, the kids they shaped, and the clients and businesses they served. 

Though long deceased, I can guaran-damn-tee they would have never thought selling millions of mass killing machines was a good idea. No fucking way. As my uncle, the rancher, used to say, "You can hang your hat on it."

 

My dad, 36 years in. Most in SOCOM and he would applaud you. Guard your shit. Let authorities guard locations. 

Damn good post Sir. +Rep. 

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10 hours ago, gmr548 said:

there is going to be an extremely strong anti gun backlash in this county. I don't know that I am confident in that, but the 2A Cult is actively creating an equally intransigent and committed bloc on the other end of the spectrum, and it's going to end up being bigger in numbers.

I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

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10 hours ago, gmr548 said:

Pretty much everyone under 35 or so has lived with this being a normal occurrence in this country. 

My one hope is that that once Boomers die off to the point of not being relevant electorally, and X'ers are simply swamped by Millennials, Gen Zs, and Gen Alphas (who aren't really cognizant of it now but are going to grow up in a similar world), there is going to be an extremely strong anti gun backlash in this county. I don't know that I am confident in that, but the 2A Cult is actively creating an equally intransigent and committed bloc on the other end of the spectrum, and it's going to end up being bigger in numbers.

I see this posted from time to time.  Not. Going. To. Happen.  Rural areas are not getting any less maga w/ age.  The rurals are doing an incredible job of indoctrinating their kids.  "Cowboy Churches" are packed every fucking weekend w/ young couples and their kids.  They are being absolutely brainwashed into thinking their parents' way.  

Shit will continue on as usual.

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12 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

The rurals are doing an incredible job of indoctrinating their kids. 

Grooming. Were supposed to call that grooming, I believe. It's too bad our experts on the term have all mysteriously disappeared from surly 

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I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

Compromise is for pussies. There are libs to own.
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43 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I think it's inevitable. I don't understand the Republican strategy of doing nothing. They should be playing defense and trying to find a compromise.

There's NRA Russian money to be had.  Who the fuck cares about constituents?  Especially in gerrymandered districts and when you're planning on ignoring unfavorable election results anyway.

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11 hours ago, C-Man said:


It’s a crime scene. They didn’t let anybody take their cars home. They removed Garcia’s vehicle though.

Also all stores remain closed today. Many still haven’t retrieved their cars. Just announced that people can come get them between 10 and 2 today. 

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19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Also all stores remain closed today. Many still haven’t retrieved their cars. Just announced that people can come get them between 10 and 2 today. 

The idea that they cleaned up all the bodies and blood and stuff in the evening and then opened up all the stores the next morning was entertaining though.

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11 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

@Helobious brought a phrase to the discussion that I didn't know. I suppose as a gringo it's not one I would hear.

Nopal en la frente

I had to go look it up.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Nopal+en+la+frente

A term from Mexico used to describe a self-hating Mexican mestizo or full blooded native American who has extremely obvious native American facial traits, yet denies this and pretends to be a white guy from Spain by telling you a story about his nonexistent great grandmother with blonde hair and blue eyes. In Mexico, these self-hating mestizos desperately deny their obvious native American DNA even though their ancestors were Aztec, Mayan, Purepecha, Tlaxcatec and other native American groups. Instead, they ignore that and pretend that they are 100% white from Spain. They usually call others prieto despite being dark skinned themselves. When they move to the US they only hang out with white people and always talk about how much they hate Mexico in order to get approval from their white friends who think he's a weird Uncle Tom anyways.
Guy#1: Hey why does that prieto deny his Mexican native ancestry and pretends to be a white Spaniard?
Guy#2: Idk bro, he has el nopal en la frente, pretty obvious he's from Mexico and not Spain; he looks like Montezuma.
by Nezahualcoyotl December 22, 2018

Has a user name ever checked out more than this one?

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Frisco ISD had social media threats of violence today and are excusing any absences but still holding school.

My school in Plano is near the border with Frisco and I already have multiple parents emailing that they would keep their kids home today.

Supposed to give the STAAR math test tomorrow so I'm sure that will go swimmingly.

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16 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

You know those guys who collect mall swords and throwing stars and shit, then “train” with it? Black gun culture is basically that, except the collector items are very, very deadly. And much more money flows to the manufacturer. 

No one is scared of ninja kid cosplaying as a badass with a stick, sword or Chinese stars.  Even if he gets ripped, gets proficient as a Samurai or some medieval knight with the weapons, that guy is not going to walk around in a full suit of armor with a pike and mass murder people for not bowing to him.   That goofy bastard is just trying escapism or has a real appreciation for history.  

The black gun culture is intertwined with toxic masculinity.  It is about hate, fear, and (in some cases willful) stupidity.   It is about getting revenge on society.  

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It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Hawndoh said:

Frisco ISD had social media threats of violence today and are excusing any absences but still holding school.

My school in Plano is near the border with Frisco and I already have multiple parents emailing that they would keep their kids home today.

Supposed to give the STAAR math test tomorrow so I'm sure that will go swimmingly.

I wish kids across the state would hold a massive STAAR test day walkout as a very special "fuck you" to the Texas political leaders that have failed them.  

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It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 
 
 

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1 hour ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

It has been almost six years since Sutherland Springs. Abbott's been governor for 8 years now.   Texas ranks 48th in per capita spending on mental health resources.  The Leg.  is in session.  He has the majority in the house and senate. There's a massive budget surplus. If he wants to increase mental health funding, what's stopping him?
 

 

 

There’s a long list of white Christian Nationalist grievances to see to first. 
 

Trans folk, secularists, and non-white elected officials are much more dangerous than a few kids and their parents getting gunned down at a shopping mall. 

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15 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I continue to assume that "conservative" America will choose the opposite side of any issue espoused by moderates and progressives.  It simply doesn't matter if, in their heart, they agree . . . it's completely us VS them.

"It's not guns, it's a mental health issue."

"Ok, let's increase funding to MH programs"

"NO THAT'S SOCIALISM"

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31 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I continue to assume that "conservative" America will choose the opposite side of any issue espoused by moderates and progressives.  It simply doesn't matter if, in their heart, they agree . . . it's completely us VS them.

I don't believe for a minute every Republican has a gun fetish, that they don't see the rationale in higher minimum age for purchase, multi-day waiting periods, red flag laws, closed loopholes.  I don't believe it.  There are plenty who, in another world, would support some or most of those policies.  They won't support them in this environment because that would mean aligning with "them" and that's just not acceptable.

It's maddening, and there is nothing that can be done about it.

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

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6 minutes ago, Stilicho said:

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

How fucking dementedly true is that?

Every support group meeting starts with "How was your life or that of a loved one by cancer/rape/alcohol?" And that's how they get you to sign up/run for another 5K

But in the case of mass shootings, that's how they get you to sign up for another AR15.

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23 minutes ago, Stilicho said:

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

Desire to be part of the tribe won't evaporate.  That's not how cults work.

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13 hours ago, C-Man said:

 

Really close friend of mine owns Sammy’s BBQ in Dallas. Used to have about half employees that were Mexican and half who were Salvadoran. The two groups did not get along at all.

That's awesome. I loved that place when I lived in Dallas.

Also, aren't you anti-GOP? Surprised you'd be so close friends with someone so GOP. That place was like a mecca for conservative white men who office downtown. There were shrine-like photos of Dubya everywhere last time I was there, like 5 years ago. 

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22 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Desire to be part of the tribe won't evaporate.  That's not how cults work.

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Fair point.

Whether they make up a significant % of "average" conservatives seems irrelevant now. They're the vanguard / spearhead of current conservative political ideology. It's their kill lists rising through the state legislatures. 

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13 minutes ago, HamsterHookah said:

That's awesome. I loved that place when I lived in Dallas.

Also, aren't you anti-GOP? Surprised you'd be so close friends with someone so GOP. That place was like a mecca for conservative white men who office downtown. There were shrine-like photos of Dubya everywhere last time I was there, like 5 years ago. 

He and I have been friends for more than 20 years. He's about the least Highland Park-y HP grad I've ever met. Just a genuinely good dude.

I'm in there a lot. There's no "shrine" to W or any politician that I can recall. I think there's a signed pic from a politician or two after they visited. Sammy's was Stanley Marcus's favorite restaurant. And, yes, there's a lot of conservative white folks who roll through there, probably quite a few with politics I don't agree with. I'm also in the private client insurance business -- I'm under no pretense that many of my clients probably have some pretty horrific political ideas. Hell, if you'd asked me 10 years ago, I probably agreed with them on some of those things and then Captain Fuckstick came on the scene in 2015 and everything changed.

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About to lose it, I need to get the fuck off social media and just work. The parents and three year old are dead, the five year old is alive.

 

 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Hank Kingsley said:

This is simply about a hugely populated society that cannot safely co-exist with blatant and easy gun ownership. Let's not complicate things.

For me it seems to be a homicidal maniac problem. There’s probably more to our mass shooter phenomenon than irresponsible gun policy but I agree, the bad gun policy should be the focus at this time. 

But suppose we had no guns, would people still be as kill crazy in the US? More so than other developed countries? Why? 
 

questions for another time

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1 hour ago, Stilicho said:

I would say that once this violence touches someone they love, the desire to be part of the tribe will evaporate.

Uvalde says otherwise.

 

This is what I've been thinking for awhile, not advocating, suggesting or inciting, just an observation

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1 minute ago, Make em eat Taco Bell said:

suppose all AR15 style guns are magically banned, how many lives will that save annually? We should do it, but the death by handgun is 90% of all gun deaths right? 

Well, eight people in Allen. Five people in Cleveland. Six people in Nashville. Six in Louisville. Five in Colorado Springs. Three in St. Louis. Three in Bend. Four in Greenwood. Seven in Highland Park. Twenty-one in Uvalde. Ten in Buffalo... and that's just quickly scanning a list on Wikipedia of the past year. There's 60 people in Las Vegas that would also like a word... but they can't talk. Neither can the 27 in Sutherland Springs or the 50 in Orlando.

This also doesn't speak to those permanently injured or otherwise scared by the terrorism of mass shootings.

For instance, I didn't count the five year old boy in Allen who wasn't killed, but his parents and brother were. So, it's only three deaths. What's the big deal?
 

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2 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

I'm not going to fact check this but in the very least, a 10% reduction through one policy reenactment is a pretty fucking good start.

well i was just making up that 90% number which seemed reasonable to me , maybe it's 98%.  That doesn't count rifles (not AR style) or shotguns.  Strictly AR15 style one, what is the annual death toll? 

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

 

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?

In 2020, the most recent year for which the FBI has published data, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

 

What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?

Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2021, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (26,328), while 43% were murders (20,958), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were accidental (549), involved law enforcement (537) or had undetermined circumstances (458).

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3 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

The "we can't solve 100% of the problem so we shouldn't make any attempt at all" line of thinking is a big reason why we are where we are. 

that's exactly NOT what i wrote. Reading comprehension ma dude. 

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That's awesome. I loved that place when I lived in Dallas.
Also, aren't you anti-GOP? Surprised you'd be so close friends with someone so GOP. That place was like a mecca for conservative white men who office downtown. There were shrine-like photos of Dubya everywhere last time I was there, like 5 years ago. 

I mean, W is ass my dude but if a Governor/President/Ex-President comes in my BBQ joint, that photo is getting signed and going on the wall.
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