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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

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Yeah, glam metal in the 1980s owes a lot to her. As do several gazillion of my unborn children.

 

1 hour ago, Mach 1 said:

Fani Willis seems like a prosecutor I’d not like to face. Since I’m not a RICO target

GOOD

 

She seems nice. Bout my age, super smart, nice face. Would.

 

59 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Damn, she charged everybody but Barron.

 

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Why would she charge him?

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Oof.  It's kind of the nature of RICO I guess, but that indictment is a sprawling, bloody mess compared to Smith's.

And, if Willis really said all 19 will be tried together, that's not exactly reassuring of her judgment.  I don't think any judge would allow that for various reasons, not the least of which is what a fucking zoo that trial would be.  And, it's probably not a good idea to force a jury to submit to that kind of firehose of information.

Posted
12 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Meanwhile . . . 

 

It's bad enough that the NYT has a pitchbot writing plausible nonsense, that MSNBC has to key up the outrage and concern, but I keep looking at things like the off season elections in places like Wisconsin for their SC and Ohio on whether or not they should be able to vote on stuff and that doesn't feed the fear factor. I'm not feeling complacent, but I'm damn sure not going to feed the fears.

Get out there and do something. Feed the workers and make it happen.

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35 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

As a former Georgia voter who voted in 2020 you can thank me in some Best Buy coupons for his upcoming mugshot.

I'll mail you some HEB Buddy Bucks. Thank you for your service.

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Posted
8 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Oof.  It's kind of the nature of RICO I guess, but that indictment is a sprawling, bloody mess compared to Smith's.

And, if Willis really said all 19 will be tried together, that's not exactly reassuring of her judgment. 

Not all of those people have a lot of coin.  Unless they qualify for the public defender route, there is an economic incentive for many of those lower level people, being tasked to do their job by the higher ups, to plea.  I would imagine a shallow, self-serving asshole like Jeffrey Clark would want to sell himself at the earliest opportunity.  Maybe being a former prosecutor in jail is an attractive thought, but I think not.

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11 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

Not all of those people have a lot of coin.  Unless they qualify for the public defender route, there is an economic incentive for many of those lower level people, being tasked to do their job by the higher ups, to plea.  I would imagine a shallow, self-serving asshole like Jeffrey Clark would want to sell himself at the earliest opportunity.  Maybe being a former prosecutor in jail is an attractive thought, but I think not.

I'm fascinated by how this could play out.  If a lower-level conspirator flips, is it an all or nothing deal?  The charges seem to require 5 years minimum with no probation on a guilty verdict.  Will the DA have to let them off the hook completely in exchange for information and/or testimony?

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Just now, jimmyjazz said:

I'm fascinated by how this could play out.  If a lower-level conspirator flips, is it an all or nothing deal?  The charges seem to require 5 years minimum with no probation on a guilty verdict.  Will the DA have to let them off the hook completely in exchange for information and/or testimony?

I am almost positive that the five-year minimum refers to the minimum sentence, but not the minimum time served.  You might serve six months of the five-year sentence, like any other crime.   That aside, it just depends what any particular defendant has to give up. Can they supply particulars where the prosecutors evidence is a bit sketchy?  Who else can fill in the dots? Evidence is more valuable if it is not the same evidence that they can get from five other different people.  And as always, can they provide evidence of communication with higher ups?   If you have the goods on the Georgia state senator, that does not give you the same juice as if you have the goods on Trump.

But as always, the people who get the deal first get a better deal.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Ain't nobody got the patience to deal with surly's shitty search function.

on teh googles "rico site:surlyhorns.com" returns the proper page with the 2nd result:

 

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Posted
3 hours ago, bolverk said:

Just to set the record straight, I know all the rightwing pundits wanted to make Obama seem like an emasculated unAmerican fancypants for ordering French Dijon mustard, but the man's first choice was the decidedly tough and masculine all-American SPICY mustard. That other shit was just an afterthought. The worst sin would've been for him to, god forbid, ask to have Devil's sperm (mayo) on his burger.

 

He's from Chicago, so you know he's not putting catsup on shit. 

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8 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Trump wrote that himself, or he has people that are just as shitty with their vocabulary and the English language as he is.  Leading polls by a lot?    A right to challenge a rigged and stolen election that the democrats do all the time?  That’s how a 5 year old communicates.

Neither.  He's speaking to his audience.

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So, while they've been citing the Left for "Woke," and cancel culture, they were actively rigging voting machines and trying to throw an election?  The Left must seem down right primitive to their way of thinking.  They've been woke, cancelled culture (Florida does it best when they rewrite history) and are now on to new ways of cheating Democracy.  

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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, Mdhorn said:

So, while they've been citing the Left for "Woke," and cancel culture, they were actively rigging voting machines and trying to throw an election?  The Left must seem down right primitive to their way of thinking.  They've been woke, cancelled culture (Florida does it best when they rewrite history) and are now on to new ways of cheating Democracy.  

I doubt they were rigging them, I assume they were looking for evidence of tampering because they are so stupid they believed the big lie. Like immediately believed it. Of course they chose a district Trump won huge because those are the rot brains that would give them access. 

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Posted

Holy shit. Rudy is such a piece of shit. In the indictment, it says that Rudy stated to the Georgia subcommittee that Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss were “quite obviously surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if they’re vials of heroin or cocaine”

Meant to post this here. Not in DT

Posted (edited)
8 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

actually, I’m not sure that that’s correct.  There is a mandatory minimum sentence, but not mandatory jail time. this is from a Cobb County ex DA on the Maddow show.

Oh, sorry.  I was quoting the DA from her press conference last night.  Looking at the GA statute, it looks like there's eligibility.  Maybe she's not entertaining it as far as a plea goes though.  Or, as a practical matter, I wouldn't expect to see the person at the top of the RICO pyramid get that sort of sentencing leniency. 

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7 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

Not all of those people have a lot of coin.  Unless they qualify for the public defender route, there is an economic incentive for many of those lower level people, being tasked to do their job by the higher ups, to plea.  I would imagine a shallow, self-serving asshole like Jeffrey Clark would want to sell himself at the earliest opportunity.  Maybe being a former prosecutor in jail is an attractive thought, but I think not.

Yeah, that's true.  I think you mentioned it previously, but one of the big pluses of a RICO case is so many people become criminally liable for so much stuff just by being part of the "enterprise" that there's a huge incentive for low-levels to plead out and give evidence on higher ups.

Still that "I'm gonna try all the defendants together" is a curious thing to say.

One pretty reassuring thing is that Jack Smith hasn't said anything "curious," and his indictments are sharp, focused and very clearly fact-based.

I didn't see any really new revelations in this indictment, except they seem to have nailed Sidney Powell's direct involvement in the Coffee County voting machine hacks.

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Posted
32 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Holy shit. Rudy is such a piece of shit. In the indictment, it says that Rudy stated to the Georgia subcommittee that Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss were “quite obviously surreptitiously passing around USB ports as if they’re vials of heroin or cocaine”

Meant to post this here. Not in DT

actually were vape pens

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There’s something so…vindicting about Trump being indicated for the fourth time 

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Posted (edited)
10 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

hmm, now I'm thinking about this - most qualified Presidential candidates of the last 31 years:
1) Gore - 2000
2) Biden - 2020
3) GHWB - 1992 (inc.)
4) B Clinton - 1992
5) Bob Dole! - 1996
6) Hillary Clinton - 2016
7) GWB - 2000
8 ) Obama - 2008
9) Trump - 2016
 

OK, sorry to come back to this tangent from when we were waiting for the indictment to drop but I thought about it overnight and this list is protarded on multiple levels. The new, definitive list:
1) GHWB
1a) Gore
3) Biden
4) Bob Dole!
5) McCain
6) Bill Clinton
7) John Kerry
8 ) Hillary Clinton
9) GWB
10) Ross Perot 
11) Obama
12) Trump

Of the above, all of the top 11 were legitimately qualified for the presidency, although the top 3 were in a class by themselves.

That is all.

 

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Woke up this morning like a gotdamn Folgers ad fucked a fabric softener commercial and had a baby…‘every accusation is a confession’ proven right again.  Wow. 

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Posted
9 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

You can’t overlook the fact that Hillary played a significant role in politics throughout Bill’s career. She wasn’t a Melania. She was a partner. She was involved. An Arkansas politician once remarked, “We elected the wrong Clinton.” Don’t sell her short.

That's a bug, not a feature. I don't like spouses acting as unofficial #2. This isn't Argentina or Texas under the Fergusons. I don't want Chasten Buttigieg acting as shadow secretary of Transportation or assistant President in the event that Pete becomes our second openly gay President, and I was likewise never comfortable with the idea of a former president sitting over in the East Wing with the ability to lobby the current head of the executive branch from the other side of the bed. It also demeaned the significance of a woman being elected President. 

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41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, that's true.  I think you mentioned it previously, but one of the big pluses of a RICO case is so many people become criminally liable for so much stuff just by being part of the "enterprise" that there's a huge incentive for low-levels to plead out and give evidence on higher ups.

Still that "I'm gonna try all the defendants together" is a curious thing to say.

Maybe she expects a significant portion of the 19 defendants to flip in exchange for immunity, thus reducing the trial to a more manageable size?

 

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Posted
9 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

6-0, 295, and this needs to be a pool.  

Agree, but he's lost weight for the campaign, and fat weighs less than muscle. 
I'd say the O/U is 240, and I'm taking the under. 

Posted
8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Are we getting the Prisoner's Dilemma played out amongst 19 people?

Probably not, because they aren't separated and prevented from talking to each other.  But still, everybody is going to wonder what everybody else is willing to say.

Plus they're all morons, and PD only works with rational participants.

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