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This probably should be in the LGBTQ thread, but I'm putting it here instead because it has much wider implications. It's not only a pathetic display of punching down on a vulnerable group that the regime doesn't approve of, but it's also a demonstration of the lengths these people will go to manipulate/mold our history by erasing parts of it.

 

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US Park Service erases the word ‘transgender’ from website commemorating Stonewall riot
References to transgender people were removed Thursday from a National Park Service website for the Stonewall National Monument, a park and visitor center in New York that commemorates a 1969 riot that became a pivotal moment for the LGBTQ+ rights movement.

The changes were made in the wake of an executive order President Donald Trump signed on his first day in office calling for the federal government to define sex as only male or female.

“This is just cruel and petty,” New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, a Democrat, posted on X. “Transgender people play a critical role in the fight for LGBTQ+ rights — and New York will never allow their contributions to be erased.”

The monument in Manhattan’s Greenwich Village section is based in a tiny park across the street from the Stonewall Inn, a bar that became ground zero for the gay rights movement on June 28, 1969, when gay and transgender patrons and neighborhood residents fought back against a police raid.

The park service website on Friday was still filled with information about the uprising, including photographs of noted transgender activists.

But the words “transgender” and “queer” had been deleted from text that had been on the site.

Also, the letters T and Q were cut from various references to the acronym LGBTQ and replaced with phrases like the “LGB rights movement” or “LGB civil rights.”

Representatives of the present-day Stonewall Inn, which is part of the national monument, and The Stonewall Inn Gives Back Initiative, a nonprofit organization associated with the historic bar, expressed anger and outrage over the changes.

“This blatant act of erasure not only distorts the truth of our history, but it also dishonors the immense contributions of transgender individuals — especially transgender women of color — who were at the forefront of the Stonewall Riots and the broader fight for LGBTQ+ rights,” said organizers of the two entities in a statement.

“They’re trying to literally cis-wash, if you will, LGBTQ history by taking trans folks and saying they didn’t exist then and don’t exist now,” said Stacy Lentz, CEO of The Stonewall Inn Gives Back Initiative and a co-owner of The Stonewall Inn. “It is very alarming.”

Angelica Christina, who is board director of the initiative and a transgender woman, said the changes to the website are not surprising given “the constant executive orders the Trump administration has been leveling against the trans community.”

But she said it is shocking and unnerving to see the Stonewall National Monument in particular targeted: “The West Village, and especially the Stonewall Inn, has always been a safe haven for the LGBT community.”

Earlier this week, the homepage for the national monument said that “Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, or queer (LGBTQ+) person was illegal.”

On Thursday, it said: “Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual (LGB) person was illegal.”

The National Park Service did not respond to a message left Thursday seeking comment on the changes. The service previously did not respond to questions about whether Trump’s executive order would mean changes for the monument.

Timothy Leonard, Northeast program manager for the National Parks Conservation Association, a 1.6 million-member nonprofit group that advocates on behalf of national parks and helped push for the Stonewall monument, said “erasing letters or webpages” does not change history or the contributions of the transgender community at Stonewall or elsewhere.

“The National Park Service exists to not only protect and preserve our most cherished places but to educate its millions of annual national park visitors about the inclusive, full history of America,” Leonard said.

Then President Barack Obama designated the Stonewall National Monument in 2016.

Last year, a $3.2 million visitor center run by the LGBTQ+ advocacy group Pride Live opened at the site, in partnership with the park service, to tell the Stonewall story in more depth. The center was financed mostly with private donations, except for $450,000 from the park service’s charitable arm.

Trump’s order declared the federal government would recognize only two immutable sexes: male and female, based on whether people are born with eggs or sperm, rather than on their chromosomes. The change is being pitched as a way to protect women from “gender extremism.”

Conservative groups such as the American Family Association have praised the change as one that acknowledges the truth. But experts including the American Medical Association and American Psychiatric Association hold that gender is a spectrum, not a binary structure consisting only of males and females.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

. It doesn't help that many of them just adopted Reagan's line instead of fighting back against it.

 

My 401k went up!

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19 minutes ago, bolverk said:

This probably should be in the LGBTQ thread, but I'm putting it here instead because it has much wider implications. It's not only a pathetic display of punching down on a vulnerable group that the regime doesn't approve of, but it's also a demonstration of the lengths these people will go to manipulate/mold our history by erasing parts of it.

 

 

Was planning on hitting that place up next month when im in town. Fucking infuriating

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I think at last half of our entire economy is scam based. That is the only way I can figure out how Elon Musk, who is the CEO of a middling car company that he did not even found, is the world's richest man. At least Henry Ford built lots of cars.

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Some were, but working class people in high crime neighborhoods were broadly in favor of it. The bill was a disaster, but that and DADT were more in line with legacy Democrat coalition social politics than NAFTA or the repeal of Glass Steagall.

Huh? Clinton was a direct response to the Dems getting mollywhopped in 3 straight elections. They decided to run the most conservative Dem they could. Had shit to do with progressives and everything to do with countering the R's to pull their base over. Clinton is the reason for the shift to the right across the spectrum.

We secretly have a LOT of racists in this country. Clinton's "tough on crime" stance, and southern beginnings comforted them. Biden also won for a lot of the same reasons. The olds remembered the 94 crime bill fondly and how he spoke about minorities back in the old days so they were okay with him.

Clinton signed NAFTA. Glass-Steagal Reform. Brokered the WTO Treaty with China. Pushed Fanny and Freddy. For all the righting the budget in the 90's, they shift to the right and penning of some awful bills wasn't worth it.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Yeah, we're never going to agree on this. Bill Clinton was a centrist Democrat from a southern state and he governed that way. Both of those bills were disasters, but what probably did more political damage in the long run was the fact that he signed NAFTA.

I don't think I have seen a Democratic President so ruthlessly attacked by Democrats and the Democratic Party supporting media as during the NAFTA bill. That was something.

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I think at last half of our entire economy is scam based. That is the only way I can figure out how Elon Musk, who is the CEO of a middling car company that he did not even found, is the world's richest man. At least Henry Ford built lots of cars.

Tesla is a carbon credit company. That’s their scam.
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11 hours ago, Bojack said:

This right here. Some of the more chilling things I've heard from the new oligarchs are when they acknowledge there will be "temporary hardship" or that things will be painful during their process of destroying everything before they rebuild it. It certainly doesn't sound like people that are willing to lose power in midterms next year or in 2028. They're also not seeing themselves in sharing those hardships or willing to give away their fortunes. 

It’s a cultural revolution so to speak

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5 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

I don't think I have seen a Democratic President so ruthlessly attacked by Democrats and the Democratic Party supporting media as during the NAFTA bill. That was something.

Most Democrats in the House voted against it. He had political cover to veto it.

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22 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

Huh? Clinton was a direct response to the Dems getting mollywhopped in 3 straight elections. They decided to run the most conservative Dem they could. Had shit to do with progressives and everything to do with countering the R's to pull their base over. Clinton is the reason for the shift to the right across the spectrum.

We secretly have a LOT of racists in this country. Clinton's "tough on crime" stance, and southern beginnings comforted them. Biden also won for a lot of the same reasons. The olds remembered the 94 crime bill fondly and how he spoke about minorities back in the old days so they were okay with him.

Clinton signed NAFTA. Glass-Steagal Reform. Brokered the WTO Treaty with China. Pushed Fanny and Freddy. For all the righting the budget in the 90's, they shift to the right and penning of some awful bills wasn't worth it.

There are still blue dog Democrats in Washington. I can't think of a single liberal Republican.

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1 minute ago, David Dennison said:

There are still blue dog Democrats in Washington. I can't think of a single liberal Republican.

There used to be a right and left wing of both parties. But there haven't been any left wing Republicans since the 1980s I don't think.

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14 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

i’m old. So I know lots of old people. And I talk to lots of old people.  Since 2020 I have not had a single conversation with, nor heard other old people talking about the 1994 Crime Bill being a reason why they voted for Biden in 2020.

At this point, you are just making shit up.   In 2020 most of the old people I know who voted for Biden did so because voting for Trump was so fucking stupid - Trump having repeatedly displayed his stupidity, immaturity, ignorance, incompetence, and illegality.

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

Interesting. Explain how that works.

Essentially, Tesla receives credits from various governments around the world for producing zero emission vehicles.  They in turn sell these credits to Ford, GM, etc so they can use them to offset F-250's, Hellcats, etc.

 

https://www.globalfleet.com/en/manufacturers/global/analysis/teslas-dominance-over-carbon-credit-market-explained?t[0]=Tesla&t[1]=Electrification&curl=1

 

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Also known as a carbon emissions credit, the price of carbon credit differs according to geography and under different emission standards. For instance, the carbon emission standard in the European Union (EU) was 130 gr CO2/km between 2015 and 2019, with €95 for each excessive gram of emissions. Suppose the newly sold EV has a lower carbon emission than the EU standard. In that case, the deficit equals carbon emissions credit, which could be sold to manufacturers who could not meet the emission standard.

 

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The carbon credit market helps auto manufacturers offset carbon emissions by developing carbon reduction technologies, primarily renewable energy production. Renewable energy investment is crucial as the manufacturing process of EVs today still heavily depends on energy from fossil fuels, which are responsible for a large sum of emissions. 

Buying carbon credits helps automakers comply with regulations and continue their investments in electrification to benefit from these credits. But like Ford and GM, are all automakers able to focus on greener technologies in the space offered by carbon credits, or is it just buying time with no progress? 

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Gatorubet said:

i’m old. So I know lots of old people. And I talk to lots of old people.  Since 2020 I have not had a single conversation with, nor heard other old people talking about the 1994 Crime Bill being a reason why they voted for Biden in 2020.

At this point, you are just making shit up.   In 2020 most of the old people I know who voted for Biden did so because voting for Trump was so fucking stupid - Trump having repeatedly displayed his stupidity, immaturity, ignorance, incompetence, and illegality.

If those same old people who voted for Biden " because voting for Trump was so fucking stupid" voted for Harris, then you and I wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Essentially, Tesla receives credits from various governments around the world for producing zero emission vehicles.  They in turn sell these credits to Ford, GM, etc so they can use them to offset F-250's, Hellcats, etc.

Gotcha. That is quite a nice little deal. But that is how the credits are designed to be used right? How lucrative is that for Tesla?

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So….Southwest lays off 1800 folks today and it’s just business as usual.

And Spacex is taking over the FAA?

 

Tyra Banks Crying GIF by First We Feast

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

Gotcha. That is quite a nice little deal. But that is how the credits are designed to be used right? How lucrative is that for Tesla?

 

Because Tesla receives so many of them.  And I don't how the selling of the credits works, but I suspect Tesla can name the price:

https://carboncredits.com/teslas-carbon-credit-revenue-soars-to-2-76-billion-amid-profit-drop/#:~:text=More impressively%2C the company's total,struggle to meet regulatory targets.

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More impressively, the company's total carbon credit revenue for 2024 surged to $2.76 billion, marking a 54% year-over-year increase from $1.79 billion in 2023. This substantial boost underscores the ongoing demand for emissions credits as legacy automakers struggle to meet regulatory targets.

 

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Since 2017, Tesla’s total earnings from these transactions have soared to over $10.4 billion. It has become one of the most lucrative aspects of its business.

This revenue comes at a minimal cost to Tesla, making it a near-pure profit stream. Unlike other automakers that must purchase credits to comply with emissions regulations, Tesla generates them simply by selling zero-emission vehicles. 

 

 

 

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That is a pretty crazy amount of money for doing nothing. Modern business!

But in the context of how much Musk is worth isn't much.

 

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20 minutes ago, Thatguy said:

If those same old people who voted for Biden " because voting for Trump was so fucking stupid" voted for Harris, then you and I wouldn't be having this conversation would we?

It was your age demographic who voted for Trump because you thought you’d get free Starbucks

 

 

 

 

No , I don’t actually mean that at all, but it is always fun throwing shit against the wall

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2 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Huh? Clinton was a direct response to the Dems getting mollywhopped in 3 straight elections. They decided to run the most conservative Dem they could. Had shit to do with progressives and everything to do with countering the R's to pull their base over. Clinton is the reason for the shift to the right across the spectrum.

We secretly have a LOT of racists in this country. Clinton's "tough on crime" stance, and southern beginnings comforted them. Biden also won for a lot of the same reasons. The olds remembered the 94 crime bill fondly and how he spoke about minorities back in the old days so they were okay with him.

Clinton signed NAFTA. Glass-Steagal Reform. Brokered the WTO Treaty with China. Pushed Fanny and Freddy. For all the righting the budget in the 90's, they shift to the right and penning of some awful bills wasn't worth it.

Clinton was a more centrist candidate. And being tough on crime can be appealing to centrists.  Just because a person supports being tough on crime does not mean a person is racist. The bolder portion of your post is horseshit. Your perspective on that past period and the Biden election is a very biased perspective that simply isn’t fully factual. 

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5 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

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How money did Trump's companies and his family make from the Covid funding? Not a fucking word was mentioned about government spending then. Not a mention about it now. 

Fuck these hypocritical fuckheads.

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

So….Southwest lays off 1800 folks today and it’s just business as usual.

And Spacex is taking over the FAA?

 

Tyra Banks Crying GIF by First We Feast

 

 

its only the beginning. 

hey, in 4 years, there won't be much of anything to take over. it will be the Musk Corporation and you will be all smiles

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5 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

President Huff and Puff going to the Supreme Court to petition them to approve that he can fire the head of the federal watchdog agency. This world be a poorly written comedy, if it wasn't real life.

the fact that he actually didn't just do it outright is a minor miracle

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3 hours ago, Valmy77 said:

I think at last half of our entire economy is scam based. That is the only way I can figure out how Elon Musk, who is the CEO of a middling car company that he did not even found, is the world's richest man. At least Henry Ford built lots of cars.

web 1.0 inventors that rolled triple zeros

see: cuban, mark

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1 hour ago, Pancho said:

So….Southwest lays off 1800 folks today and it’s just business as usual.

rumors:

something is afoot on denton drive beyond a giant rif to fund buybacks

lots of NDAs and secret meetings with the pilot's and fa's unions

possible merger/takeover of jetblue and the rifs are being done first

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1 hour ago, Valmy77 said:

That is a pretty crazy amount of money for doing nothing. Modern business!

But in the context of how much Musk is worth isn't much.

musk owned 12% of paypal and eceived $176M when it was sold to ebay in 02

the falcon 9's first successful booster landing was 21 december 2015 just over 9 years ago

in 2015 musk was in a 3-way tie for #100 on the global list of billionaires ($12B)

i have never been in the dt elon thread so i don't know if the above has been covered

 

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3 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

The Clintons were "progressive" as reflected in the lens of Reagan and Bush.  That's it.

That counts, considering how much of the Reagan coalition he peeled out, especially in 96. 

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54 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

rumors:

something is afoot on denton drive beyond a giant rif to fund buybacks

lots of NDAs and secret meetings with the pilot's and fa's unions

possible merger/takeover of jetblue and the rifs are being done first

The pilots union is taking a hard line at not having to fly upside down.

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39 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Thanks, Biff. I recall it being mentioned in passing back in college. Glad to see the explanation. Solid quote from article:

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The word anacyclosis has been variously translated as “the cycle of political revolution” and “the cycle of the constitutions.” In short, the theory states that the six regime archetypes that the Greeks identified and which we still use today (monarchy, tyranny, aristocracy, oligarchy, democracy, and ochlocracy or mob-rule) each represent different stages of one long process of political evolution. There is good reason to think that Polybius and his predecessors arrived at this theory empirically. After observing the rise and fall of many hundreds of city-states, most of which cycled through several of the governmental forms mentioned above, Greek political thinkers concluded that these transitions from one form to another were not random. Rather, they seemed to follow simple and recognizable patterns. For example, tyrants were frequently overthrown by groups of aristocrats, while popular revolutions frequently overthrew oligarchies and ushered in democratic rule. Interestingly, the reverse of these trends (aristocracies being overthrown by tyrants or democracies turning into oligarchies) were statistically less likely to occur.

Bingo!

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5 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Thank you for posting the carbon credit info.

I've been talking about this for a long time to friends and acquaintances whenever I hear them laud Elon and Tesla.

It's especially relevant now that all these Elon incels are breaking shit right and left under the guise of "dEeP stATe" bullshit and only have the ability to do so because of Elon's massive wealth, which (as I've argued many times) is inextricably linked to TSLA stock which is wholly dependent upon these passive income carbon credits, all of which would not exist but for the Deep State's Clean Air Act and regulation by the EPA.

 

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