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On 5/1/2025 at 3:30 PM, Brisketexan said:

Wait.  There are some people who think that Luigi was EVER going to get a fair trial?

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If the Memphis cops can get a not guilty, why not Luigi? Not that I think he should get a not guilty if he's guilty.

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On 5/1/2025 at 2:23 PM, bolverk said:

How, pray tell, does a paralegal at the New York County District Attorney's Office go about inadvertently listening in on a privileged conversation between a defendant and his lawyer? They need to walk us through the steps leading up to that "mishap."

I also wonder how the lie about the paralegal only hearing part of the call was discovered and what actions have been taken to prevent it from happening again. Are there remedies a defense team could seek for this accidental oversight?

Well, as you probably suspect, all prison phone calls are recorded, and there's usually ample warning that that is taking place.

I believe the best practice with prison calls to attorneys is to make arrangements beforehand that such calls a) are not recorded and b) don't take place "in public," ie common areas of the prison or jail, so there's no issue of invasion or waiver of privilege.  That should be SOP both from the lawyer's standpoint and prison/jail operations.

AFAIK, the prison call recording system keeps a database of all the recordings that prison staff and prosecutors can call up and listen to any/all prisoner phone calls.  The whole prison call thing is a bit scandalous, both as to privacy and cost, and also fairly sophisticated. A call with a lawyer should never be in that database.

So, I'd think a first level of blame would be with Luigi's lawyers for having a call over the standard call system.  And to some degree with Luigi himself.

But, if you're conspiratorially minded, the prison/jail was recording calls it should not have and making those recordings available to prosecutors.

 

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This is the insane world we live in: Treating consumers badly to boost profits is securities fraud, but treating consumers well and reducing profits is also securities fraud, because everything is securities fraud.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/08/unitedhealthcare-sued-by-shareholders-over-reaction-to-ceos-killing.html

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A group of investors sued UnitedHealthcare Group on Wednesday, accusing the company of misleading them after the killing of its CEO, Brian Thompson.

The class action lawsuit — filed in the Southern District of New York — accuses the health insurance company of not initially adjusting their 2025 net earning outlook to factor in how Thompson’s killing would affect their operations.

On Dec. 3 — a day before Thompson was fatally shot — the company issued guidance that included net earnings of $28.15 to $28.65 per share and adjusted net earnings of $29.50 to $30.00 per share, the suit notes. And on January 16, the company announced that it was sticking with its old forecast.

Bloomberg Law adds:

This was misleading, [the plaintiff] said, as it didn’t disclose the company was “no longer willing” to “use the aggressive, anti-consumer tactics” it needed to achieve its prior forecast as it was embroiled in heightened public hostility.

The theory is that Thompson’s murder caused UnitedHealth to become more patient-friendly, which made it less profitable, but UnitedHealth didn’t immediately tell shareholders that, so the shareholders assumed it would continue to be patient-unfriendly and profitable. Here is the complaint, which sort of combines (1) the allegedly patient-unfriendly business practices, (2) the murder and (3) the public statements into one broad critique:

Specifically, Defendants made false and/or misleading statements and/or failed to disclose that: (1) UnitedHealth had, for years, engaged in a corporate strategy of denying health coverage in order to boost its profits, and ultimately, its share price; (2) this anti-consumer (and at times unlawful) strategy resulted in regulatory scrutiny (as well as public angst) against UnitedHealth, which ultimately resulted in the murder of Brian Thompson; (3) animus towards UnitedHealth was such that, subsequent to the murder of Mr. Thompson, many Americans openly celebrated his demise, expressed admiration for his accused killer, and/or otherwise demanded that UnitedHealth change its strategy even if they condemned Mr. Thompson’s killing; (4) the foregoing regulatory and public outrage caused UnitedHealth to change its corporate practices; (5) notwithstanding the foregoing, UnitedHealth recklessly stuck with the guidance it issued the day before Thompson’s murder, which was unrealistic considering the Company’s changing corporate strategies; and (6) as a result, Defendants’ public statements were materially false and/or misleading at all relevant times.

So what was the securities fraud? Was it:

That UnitedHealth “had, for years, engaged in a corporate strategy of denying health coverage in order to boost its profits, and ultimately, its share price,” without telling shareholders that, but that strategy was unsustainable and eventually shareholders realized that (because of the murder) and the stock dropped? Or

That UnitedHealth stopped doing that, without telling shareholders that the change would reduce profits?

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Vegas64 said:

This is the insane world we live in: Treating consumers badly to boost profits is securities fraud, but treating consumers well and reducing profits is also securities fraud, because everything is securities fraud.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/05/08/unitedhealthcare-sued-by-shareholders-over-reaction-to-ceos-killing.html

 

Man, this is one of those examples where shareholder suits and class actions in particular are pretty ridiculous. Just about any time a publicly traded company has a price gyration, particularly a drop, they get sued for securities fraud and/or breach of fiduciary duty.

They mostly settle for decent, but not meaningful-in-a-big-way, amounts.  The only real winners are the entrepreneurial lawyers that brought them.

A facile response is to ban such suits.  Most large corporations would be highly in favor of doing so and are probably lobbying intensely for it right now.  Any such action needs to be carefully considered lest we get the "tort reform" result.

But they do, if not often, serve a purpose in regulating corporate behavior in ways that even an effective SEC cannot.  This is the type of suit that kept Elmo from getting his ridiculous comp package.  I'm sure that's a popular result and this may be a popular result.  The actual effect on corporate behavior is, I think, negligible.

Also, this gets into that whole lawyer ethics thing.  The real personal motivation for most of these suits is to make money for lawyers.  But, they follow all the rules and most of the precedents and serve the theoretical reason for their existence (curb corporate behavior) to at least a tiny extent.  And you can find other examples of such suits that serve to compensate the truly defrauded and actually punish or deter bad corporate behavior.

So, should we do something about these lawsuits and lawyers when their motivations and raisons d'etre are quite a bit less than noble, and risk the unintended consequences?  Or just let things chuckle along as usual?  That is a bit of a false choice, as there are tweaks that could be made that reduce the ridiculous, hopefully without also reducing the sublime, but there is always the risk of unintended consequences.

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1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

UnitedHealth Group CEO Andrew Witty stepping down. Under Witty, United accelerated its use of AI to wrongly deny more patient healthcare claims (with 90% error rate) and preyed on seniors through committing Medicare Advantage fraud

So he’s running for Senate?

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I have United healthcare for my part D Medicare prescription plan. I got a call out of the blue yesterday from some lady from United telling me I could save money on prescriptions and get money to buy over-the-counter stuff if I would only sign up for this fantastic Medicare advantage plan from united.

So I asked her - ”Does that mean I can go to any medical provider in the country if - I don’t know - I get cancer?”

She said “no, but you will have excellent healthcare locally and a huge number of people to see.”

I asked her if MD Anderson provided services for my cancer that cost me $200,000. How much would that plan pay.   She said 50%., As MDA is out of plan.    So I asked her, “since I’m a cancer survivor who wrecked up a bunch of bills at MDA previously, why was she recommending that I accept a plan that if I get cancer again will cost me $100,000 out of my pocket?  

She told me “let me know if you want to change”, and ended the call.

There are a ton of uninformed old people who would listen to that sales pitch and not understand the out of system coverage consequences to their pocketbook and wind up in serious financial problems.   Why that wasn’t the first question, she asked me - did I have a need for healthcare services not under their local coverage plan- before some stupid hundred dollar over-the-counter drug benefit - can only be described as greed.    Assholes.

They will have to pry regular Medicare in supplement plans from my cold dead  fingers before I go with a Medicare advantage plan. fuck united

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