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On 4/29/2025 at 7:46 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The sticker doesn’t let the owner off the hook. It’s getting to the point that pre-doge owners of Tesla have had time to find other options.

You sure are free with other people's money while you're virtue signaling. Not everyone is in a financial position to replace their car.

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5 hours ago, Texaskimo said:

You sure are free with other people's money while you're virtue signaling. Not everyone is in a financial position to replace their car.

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Just now, Ghost of NMAS said:

I’m surprised anyone stupid enough to buy one can afford to

Used ones are cheap as shit. The value of a used Tesla has taken a nosedive. If Elon wasn’t a Nazi, I would be tempted to buy a low mileage one to tool around in.

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Just now, NoName said:

A painfully unfunny man.

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It's not even that his material is that bad -- groan-inducing dad-joke type stuff can actually be funny and endearing.

What it requires is SELF-AWARENESS.  Of which he has....zero.  If you crack a groan-inducing joke, but are looking around like you expect people to be wowed by how clever you are, then you just had a complete miss.  Both the jokester and the audience HAVE TO BE IN ON THE JOKE TOGETHER.  The joke is not "I wear a lot of hats."  The joke is a self-aware person, knowing that is a TERRIBLE joke, telling it anyway.

He is a loathsome, irredeemable human being, from top to bottom.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

It's not even that his material is that bad -- groan-inducing dad-joke type stuff can actually be funny and endearing.

What it requires is SELF-AWARENESS.  Of which he has....zero.  If you crack a groan-inducing joke, but are looking around like you expect people to be wowed by how clever you are, then you just had a complete miss.  Both the jokester and the audience HAVE TO BE IN ON THE JOKE TOGETHER.  The joke is not "I wear a lot of hats."  The joke is a self-aware person, knowing that is a TERRIBLE joke, telling it anyway.

He is a loathsome, irredeemable human being, from top to bottom.

Alternately, you do exactly what he did and then you look directly at Scott Bessenet and ask him “why does ur pp look like u just came?” 
 

Kills ‘em. 

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2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

It's not even that his material is that bad -- groan-inducing dad-joke type stuff can actually be funny and endearing.

What it requires is SELF-AWARENESS.  Of which he has....zero.  If you crack a groan-inducing joke, but are looking around like you expect people to be wowed by how clever you are, then you just had a complete miss.  Both the jokester and the audience HAVE TO BE IN ON THE JOKE TOGETHER.  The joke is not "I wear a lot of hats."  The joke is a self-aware person, knowing that is a TERRIBLE joke, telling it anyway.

He is a loathsome, irredeemable human being, from top to bottom.

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4 hours ago, royiv said:

Used ones are cheap as shit. The value of a used Tesla has taken a nosedive. If Elon wasn’t a Nazi, I would be tempted to buy a low mileage one to tool around in.

That and future concerns of finding someone to service it when Tesla is completely cratered.

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2 hours ago, 956 Worldwide said:

Alternately, you do exactly what he did and then you look directly at Scott Bessenet and ask him “why does ur pp look like u just came?” 
 

Kills ‘em. 

"You're looking at my dick?"

 

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38 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Here's the non-paywalled story:

 

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About a month ago, with Tesla’s stock sinking and some investors irritated about Elon Musk’s White House focus, Tesla’s board got serious about looking for Musk’s successor. 

Board members reached out to several executive search firms to work on a formal process for finding Tesla’s next chief executive, according to people familiar with the discussions. 

Tensions had been mounting at the company. Sales and profits were deteriorating rapidly. Musk was spending much of his time in Washington.

 

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Around that time, Tesla’s board met with Musk for an update. Board members told him he needed to spend more time on Tesla, according to people familiar with the meeting. And he needed to say so publicly.

Musk didn’t push back.

Tesla has been on a losing streak in the months since Musk, its visionary chief executive, began spending much of his time helping President Trump slash federal spending. Last week, after the company said its first-quarter profit had plunged 71%, Musk told investors he would soon pivot back to his job at Tesla.

 

 

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“Starting next month,” he said on a conference call about earnings, “I’ll be allocating far more of my time to Tesla.” 

The board narrowed its focus to a major search firm, according to the people familiar with the discussions. The current status of the succession planning couldn’t be determined. It is also unclear if Musk, himself a Tesla board member, was aware of the effort, or if his pledge to spend more time at Tesla has affected succession planning. Musk didn’t respond to requests for comment.  

During a cabinet meeting on Wednesday, Trump thanked Musk for his government work. “You know you’re invited to stay as long as you want,” Trump said. “I guess he wants to get back home to his cars.”

 

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Any change at the top would mark a major moment for Tesla: Musk has run the electric-vehicle maker for nearly 20 years, though he stepped aside as board chairman in 2018. Musk has been deeply involved in all of his businesses, even those in which other executives handle day-to-day management.

The eight-person Tesla board has been looking to add an independent director, according to people familiar with the process. Some directors, including Tesla co-founder JB Straubel, have been meeting with major investors to reassure them the company is in good hands.

Musk’s detour into government came at a difficult time for his biggest company. Sales of Tesla’s electric cars fell in 2024, the first annual decline in more than a decade. The company slashed prices, which ate into profit margins. Its high-profile Cybertruck, derided for its strange looks, became the butt of jokes by late-night comics. 

Musk’s close ties to Trump tarnished Tesla’s brand for some consumers. Making matters worse, the president’s tariffs have complicated Tesla’s business in China, one of its biggest car markets, and a U.S. supply chain that relies heavily on vendors in Mexico and Canada.

Musk’s proximity to the president proved no help on that front. He told investors last week he would “continue to advocate for lower tariffs rather than higher tariffs, but that’s all I can do.” The decision, he said, was the president’s.

After Trump’s victory last year, Tesla’s shares surged at first, reflecting optimism that Musk’s close ties to the president would yield benefits for his businesses. Tesla’s market value hit a record high of $1.5 trillion in December. Since then, it has fallen to about $900 billion.

Early last year, after some two decades of running Tesla, Musk confided to someone close to him, in late night texts, that he was frustrated to still be working nonstop at the company, especially after a Delaware judge had struck down his multibillion-dollar pay package. 

Last spring, he told that person that he no longer wanted to be CEO of Tesla, but that he was worried that no one could replace him atop the company and sell the vision that Tesla isn’t just an automaker, but the future of robotics and automation as well. 

Musk has complained both in public and private that despite owning roughly 13% of the company, he has been working without pay for the last seven years. The Tesla board recently formed a special compensation committee to address CEO compensation. 

Musk has enormous demands on his time. Tesla is only one of five businesses he oversees. At Tesla alone, more than 20 executives report directly to him, according to an internal document. Since the election, he has spent most of his time in Washington, with weekends at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida. When he met with Tesla employees and board members, he often did so remotely.  

Some Tesla employees said that the first time they had heard from Musk in months was at an all-hands meeting in March, streamed to all X users, where he tried to reassure employees and persuade them not to sell their shares. 

“If you read the news, it feels like Armageddon,” he told them. “I can’t walk past a TV without seeing a Tesla on fire,” he said, referring to vandalism at Tesla showrooms and charging stations. “There are times when there are rocky moments, a little bit of stormy weather, but I’m here to tell you the future is bright and exciting. What I’m saying is—hang on to your stock.”

Musk spent more than $250 million on Trump’s re-election effort. He took the stage with Trump at rallies and even spent a chunk of time in Pennsylvania after identifying it as a state that Trump couldn’t afford to lose. On election night, he was in the ballroom at Mar-a-Lago. 

The next morning, Nov. 6, he flew out of Palm Beach to attend a Tesla board meeting in Austin. Soon, he was back in Mar-a-Lago sitting in on meetings with world leaders and helping to vet candidates for cabinet positions. 

Musk was given the job of running the Department of Government Efficiency, which eventually was staffed with government outsiders that included investors and employees from his companies. His status as a “special government employee” enables him to work at the White House for 130 days each year without filing the financial-disclosure forms required for regular employees. 

Some employees said they were happy at first that Musk was busy in D.C. because his tendency to micromanage at Tesla could be a distraction. 

As Musk drew closer to Trump, who has criticized EV mandates and vowed to reinvigorate the oil and gas industries, some employees sought assurances from management that Musk still supported Tesla’s mission to fight climate change and support sustainable-energy infrastructure. 

Late last November, Tesla executive Mike Snyder tried to reassure his team that Musk’s political tilt wouldn’t distract him from the business. “It’s obviously been a turbulent and emotional season, I acknowledge that,” he said, according to a recording of the meeting reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. “I’d rather have Elon next to Trump than an enemy of Trump.”

Snyder, whose team works on energy storage and solar power, told his team that Musk continued to answer texts. “People concerned that Elon is not engaged or interested, I can assure you that’s not true,” he said.

By early this year, it was clear to some inside the company that Musk’s political foray was becoming a business liability. Tesla was losing brand appeal in markets such as California and Germany, and drivers had begun putting bumper stickers on their Teslas distancing themselves from Musk’s politics. Tesla also was losing ground in China to homegrown rivals such as BYD. 

Eliah Gilfenbaum, a Tesla executive in California, told his team that it was getting more challenging to hire and retain talent, according to one person who was present. He told them Tesla would be better off if Musk resigned. That was unlikely to happen, he told them, and employees needed to reconcile the boss’s politics with the company’s mission. He advised them to try to compartmentalize and just keep going. 

After two newspapers reported on Gilfenbaum’s remarks, Gilfenbaum was forced out of Tesla, the person said. Tesla hasn’t commented on the matter.

Tesla executives have said the company is in a transition period. Its popular Model 3 car and Model Y crossover drove a first wave of growth. Now it is pivoting to artificial intelligence and robotics, heralded by new vehicles like its Cybercab, a gold two-seater sedan with no steering wheel or pedals, and by Optimus, a humanoid robot central to Musk’s vision for the company. Musk has posited that robotics could transform Tesla into a $30 trillion company, many times its current valuation.

Meanwhile, though, its core EV business is faltering, and its newest vehicle, the Cybertruck, hasn’t provided much of a boost. Musk pitched the Cybertruck, unveiled in 2019, as a futuristic, bulletproof alternative to old school pickups like Ford’s F150. The first versions to reach customers, in late 2023, were priced around $100,000—2½ times the price Musk first announced. 

The truck has faced eight recalls, including on safety hardware such as the accelerator pedal and windshield wipers. In its first full year of sales, Tesla sold just 39,000 Cybertrucks in the U.S., according to Cox Automotive estimates—a fraction of the 250,000 in annual sales Musk said was the goal.

While many investors held out hope that Tesla would release a new, low-cost model to invigorate sales in 2025, the company instead has focused on refreshing its existing lineup and lowering prices by changing out expensive parts like the material used on its seats. 

In March, it unveiled a refresh of the Model Y, its bestselling car. In April, Tesla released a less expensive version of the Cybertruck, priced at $69,990.

Musk and his lieutenants have redoubled their efforts to convince investors that Tesla’s long-planned autonomous vehicles are just around the corner. Tesla plans to open up its ride-hailing app to the public by the end of June, enabling customers in Austin, Texas, to take unsupervised robotaxi rides in Model Ys. That would put the company in competition with existing robotaxi services like Alphabet’s Waymo and Amazon’s Zoox.  

In February, Tesla’s finance chief Vaibhav Taneja warned some investors that Tesla would have a “rough quarter.”

In recent meetings with investors, board members told them that despite Musk’s government work, he was involved in Tesla meetings remotely. One board member told people that sometimes Musk wasn’t as well prepared and that he needed to be briefed more about what is happening with Tesla. The board members continued to say they believed Musk’s proximity to Trump and the White House would benefit the company over the long term. 

Last week’s dismal earnings report showed quarterly revenue had declined 9%, including a 20% drop in automotive revenue after sales fell in important markets such as California, China and Germany. 

Musk told investors the blowback against Tesla stemmed from his work with DOGE. “The real reason for the protests, the actual reason, is that is those receiving the waste and fraud wish to continue receiving it,” he said. “That is the real thing that’s going on here, obviously.”

After announcing that he would spend less time in Washington and more time at Tesla, Musk defended the company’s performance and expressed optimism about its future. “We’re not on the ragged edge of death,” he said, “not even close.”

 

Posted
16 hours ago, Texaskimo said:

You sure are free with other people's money while you're virtue signaling. Not everyone is in a financial position to replace their car.

Sell for $dollars. Buy replacement for $dollars or $dollars - sales tax.  What’s the financial hardship involved here?

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7 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

desperate people do desperate things

his house of cards is already fucked and he's just trying to figure out how to prolong the inevitable. It's why he went all in on politics

His crash is going to be the biggest belly up in the history of the modern world. I hope I find him on a street corner in Durban one day begging for food. He deserves to be thrown to the sharks there. Pretty sure most South Africans would volunteer to make it happen.

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On 4/29/2025 at 7:26 PM, Firemans4Horn said:

Europe doesn’t like Nazis 90 year history lesson

 

 

The move to replace European creative people and cultural figures that drive traffic with twice the number of Indians doing AI-enabled engagement farming is a metaphor for current U.S. foreign policy. He’s doing Ezekiel style whole of life performance art as prophesy with his company. 

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7 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Sell for $dollars. Buy replacement for $dollars or $dollars - sales tax.  What’s the financial hardship involved here?

I sold my 2021 model Y earlier this year and replaced it with a Cadillac Optiq, it cost me about $27,000. Granted, most of that is because I was getting rid of a 4 year old car and replacing it with a brand new car that is a little more up-market, so someone replacing a used tesla with a similarly aged used electric car won't have nearly as big a financial hit.

The trade in offers I got while shopping were $18k-$22k. Checking my area right now, a 2021 Mustang Mach E (rear wheel drive, standard range battery so a downgrade from the model y not quite an equivalent) is listed for $28k. So that's the financial hardship, $6k-$10k (depending on trade in offer)+ tax and a vehicle downgrade in both range and acceleration.

I'm not comfortable jumping down the throats of people that aren't in position to do that, I think it's shitty and shows a lack of empathy.

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Posted
10 hours ago, Colonel Sanders said:

With elon there is really no future for tesla but without him they don't get s 160 p/e ratio.  Not sure which move is best.

If the board is actually doing it, given how much they stand to lose either way, and that they are all tied to him, they've decided they will give up the batshit p/e ratio for something more stable, even if it's less value overall.  Too bad for him and them, the automobile version of Gwynne Shotwell is not walking through the door.

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1 hour ago, Texaskimo said:

I sold my 2021 model Y earlier this year and replaced it with a Cadillac Optiq, it cost me about $27,000. Granted, most of that is because I was getting rid of a 4 year old car and replacing it with a brand new car that is a little more up-market, so someone replacing a used tesla with a similarly aged used electric car won't have nearly as big a financial hit.

The trade in offers I got while shopping were $18k-$22k. Checking my area right now, a 2021 Mustang Mach E (rear wheel drive, standard range battery so a downgrade from the model y not quite an equivalent) is listed for $28k. So that's the financial hardship, $6k-$10k (depending on trade in offer)+ tax and a vehicle downgrade in both range and acceleration.

I'm not comfortable jumping down the throats of people that aren't in position to do that, I think it's shitty and shows a lack of empathy.

 

Someone really stupid once told me "Fuck my feelings"

So ...

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11 hours ago, Colonel Sanders said:

With elon there is really no future for tesla but without him they don't get s 160 p/e ratio.  Not sure which move is best.

 

That P/E ratio is insane, it's not based in any reality. They can continue to play out there in la-la land, but in the end that isn't anything they can legitimately hope to continue. Gravity is an irresistible force and eventually their stock is going to leave meme territory and fall back to some real P/E ratio. The question is can they recover from such a fall? I think making such a move now - maybe. Hanging on with Musk is going to make that a lot harder in the future.

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2 hours ago, Texaskimo said:

I'm not comfortable jumping down the throats of people that aren't in position to do that, I think it's shitty and shows a lack of empathy.

According to Elon, empathy is the fundamental weakness of Western society. 

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On 4/25/2025 at 11:00 AM, Redneck Mutha said:

Going back to Tesla financials and see how much they're relying on their regulatory credit income. But then also remembering how this administration is looking to cut emissions standards for manufacturers, seems... suboptimal for the company.

Although I'm sure there will be some sort of weird carveout for that dipshit. Unless he really pisses off Bessent, who would get in tfg's ear. FAFO

 

On 4/25/2025 at 12:39 PM, royiv said:

At some point, the idea of regulatory credits becomes outdated with EVs becoming mainstream and the government should do away with them and go to a straight penalty system for noncompliance instead. Instead of private industry profiting off of regulatory compliance the government can use it as a funding source.

Let me know if this is in the ballpark.

Much of Tesla revenue is due to carbon offset sales to traditional automakers.  As Tesla sales drop they have fewer offsets to sell so the revenue hits are compounded.  With an anti-regulatory administration the risk of losing the offset program is a real risk for US Credits and that easing fuel efficiency and carbon standards in general would benefit ICE vehicles over electric.  Is Tesla riding an Enron like ponzi scheme as far as revenue and valuation is concerned?  

Is this why there are rumbles about combining SpaceX, Tesla and XAI?

Just like Twitter needed to play a PE like shell game by selling to XAI in order to realize a loss and reset valuation.  It's all shell games now.

Couple this with the whole PR nightmare and Elon is accelerating the pace at which his face gets eaten. 

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

If the board is actually doing it, given how much they stand to lose either way, and that they are all tied to him, they've decided they will give up the batshit p/e ratio for something more stable, even if it's less value overall.  Too bad for him and them, the automobile version of Gwynne Shotwell is not walking through the door.

They aren't actually doing it.

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

the automobile version of Gwynne Shotwell is not walking through the door.

I wish they would.  Maybe Elmo could take one of the first test drives in his newest vehicle and it would blow up with him in it.

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2 hours ago, Texaskimo said:

I'm not comfortable jumping down the throats of people that aren't in position to do that, I think it's shitty and shows a lack of empathy.

 

It seems an easy way to push back against all this evil stuff without attending rallies, calling reps, etc.  I vote with my wallet.  If we want democracy, then step up.  Otherwise,

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21 hours ago, NoName said:

A painfully unfunny man.

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Somehow his desperate attempts to be seen as "funny guy" despite having one of the least-developed senses of humor in human history almost offend me more than anything else he does. A classroom of 6-year old boys would call him a try-hard. Pretty good odds that at some point hell end up asking someone in a cabinet meeting if they want a Hurtz Donut. 

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