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On 12/20/2024 at 6:42 PM, UpperWestside said:

This is ‘Merica now! It’s just sad that we as a collective have become the things we have always said we are not. Everything that the men and women who built America into what it became post World War II is now dissolving.  I am glad that almost all of them have passed on and do not have to witness the abject selfishness on display from sea to shining sea.We are far from being the only country with this issue, but we insist on being the loudest and proudest about it.

I think it's obvious Americans have always been shitty. It's a country founded by religious nuts based on slavery and subjugation of women and minorities. The average American has always been a fucking moron. The leaders have always been corrupt. 

The Internet and social media has just exposed it to a great extent and magnified the core values of greed, selfishness, and materialism to an uncontrollably bastardized level that isn't sustainable anymore. The capitalism has become uncontrolled, the corruption has reached dangerous levels, and the very things that led to advanced technological development are now destroying the foundation of the country. 

Which positions the country extremely poorly to navigate the climate change challenges that are exacerbated more and more each year. Ironically, the brainwashing of American exceptionalism and greatness that led to your erroneous post also prevents the population at large from proper self evaluation to even realize the changes that need to occur to have a puncher's chance of curbing the decline and mitigating the coming disasters. 

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14 minutes ago, safe sex said:

The only form of slavery still legal in America. It's in the Constitution 

The concessions made to the south to get things passed in this country are tragic.

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12 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

I think it's obvious Americans have always been shitty. It's a country founded by religious nuts based on slavery and subjugation of women and minorities. The average American has always been a fucking moron. The leaders have always been corrupt. 

The Internet and social media has just exposed it to a great extent and magnified the core values of greed, selfishness, and materialism to an uncontrollably bastardized level that isn't sustainable anymore. The capitalism has become uncontrolled, the corruption has reached dangerous levels, and the very things that led to advanced technological development are now destroying the foundation of the country. 

Which positions the country extremely poorly to navigate the climate change challenges that are exacerbated more and more each year. Ironically, the brainwashing of American exceptionalism and greatness that led to your erroneous post also prevents the population at large from proper self evaluation to even realize the changes that need to occur to have a puncher's chance of curbing the decline and mitigating the coming disasters. 

Where does this "religious nut" shit come from?  Sure, they were nominally Christian for the most part, but there's about zero evidence that any of them were religious nuts, certainly by modern standards.  First Amendment belies that whole notion.

And, yeah, there was slavery, which was tolerated more than endorsed, and subjugation of women.  Standard shit for the times.  Not making excuses for it, it is what it is and it was more progressive than any other contemporary nation.

 

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

Where does this "religious nut" shit come from?  Sure, they were nominally Christian for the most part, but there's about zero evidence that any of them were religious nuts, certainly by modern standards.  First Amendment belies that whole notion.

Puritans.

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4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Puritans.

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

The majority of them were Anglican, a couple Cathoholics.  The mortal enemies of Puritans.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

But that's where it comes from.  Puritanism and evangelicalism.

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2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

But that's where it comes from.  Puritanism and evangelicalism.

That's a load of shit.

I'm all for realism about America and it's bullshit exceptionalism.  Let's not make it worse than it was.

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12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

That's a load of shit.

I'm all for realism about America and it's bullshit exceptionalism.  Let's not make it worse than it was.

That's where it all comes from culturally. Throw Quakerism in there, too. America has a long history of religious fanaticism, even if the Founders tempered it with the Constitution.

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27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

But they weren't Puritans.  First Amendment is a rejection of all that.

The majority of them were Anglican, a couple Cathoholics.  The mortal enemies of Puritans.

First amendment was made specifically so they couldn't be persecuted for their puritan religious nuttery. They weren't thinking about Catholicism, Islam, or Hinduism when they made it. 

That was the reason for separation of church and state. So no OTHER religion could come in and take over the government and persecute them again. 

The framework of the Constitution and system of government was borrowed heavily from Polybius to stave off anacyclosis

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3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

That's where it all comes from culturally. Throw Quakerism in there, too. America has a long history of religious fanaticism, even if the Founders tempered it with the Constitution.

By tempering it with the Constitution, I don't think you can call them religious nuts or fanatics.  Had they been fanatics, the various factions represented never would have gotten together.

Never really heard Quakers referred to as religious fanatics, either.

 

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27 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

By tempering it with the Constitution, I don't think you can call them religious nuts or fanatics.  Had they been fanatics, the various factions represented never would have gotten together.

Never really heard Quakers referred to as religious fanatics, either.

 

I'm talking about colonial and early Americans. You're talking about the Founders. Those are two very different things.

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22 hours ago, safe sex said:

Yes everyone here is aware that Quinn is a piece of shit

He’s a dumb kid.  I had some dumb beliefs when I was his age too. Not dumb like voting for an obvious conman who grifts the shit out of the dumbest people in this country, of which there are a fuckload, but definitely I had some questionable actions. 

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38 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I'm talking about colonial and early Americans. You're talking about the Founders. Those are two very different things.

I'm talking about founders because that's what Hermanator said.

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1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:



The chemical abortion drug war will have to wait until after we invade Mexico.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He’ll call it a special military operation.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

That's where it all comes from culturally. Throw Quakerism in there, too. America has a long history of religious fanaticism, even if the Founders tempered it with the Constitution.

All religions should be fanatics like the Quakers.

Quakerism is a religious movement begun by George Fox in the 17th century. Quakers believe that all people have access to the inner light of direct communion with God. They believe in the spiritual equality of all people, pacifism, consensus, and simplicity.”

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3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Where does this "religious nut" shit come from?  Sure, they were nominally Christian for the most part, but there's about zero evidence that any of them were religious nuts, certainly by modern standards.  First Amendment belies that whole notion.

And, yeah, there was slavery, which was tolerated more than endorsed, and subjugation of women.  Standard shit for the times.  Not making excuses for it, it is what it is and it was more progressive than any other contemporary nation.

 

Salem Witch trials seems pretty religious nut to me.

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2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I'm talking about colonial and early Americans. You're talking about the Founders. Those are two very different things.

 

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26 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

This is a classic Trump misdirection. He doesn’t want the media talking about his debt ceiling loss this week or keep talking about President Elon. Instead he makes a wild claim and the media jumps at it 24/7.

the worse the real story is for him, the crazier the comment he makes.

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5 hours ago, Rex Kramer said:

I’m not that person. I’ve been increasingly anti-social lately. I do not really hang out with these people here in town.

Now, my college friends are 100% Trump.  I can’t talk politics with them. 

I have an ability to hang with any group. I will not let someone’s politics, unless they are way too extreme, affect the way I feel about them.

What?  The guys that sang "there will never be a nigger SAE" are 100% Trump?   You don't say? 

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4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

This is a classic Trump misdirection. He doesn’t want the media talking about his debt ceiling loss this week or keep talking about President Elon. Instead he makes a wild claim and the media jumps at it 24/7.

the worse the real story is for him, the crazier the comment he makes.


Are we gonna spitball the idea of buying Geeenland again? That’s gotta still be on the wheel of shitfuckcrazy.

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9 hours ago, Jive Turkey said:

We taking Canada, Panama, Mexico, and Greenland.

 

I wouldn’t give up Puerto Rico to get it, but he’s not wrong about Greenland

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1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I wouldn’t give up Puerto Rico to get it, but he’s not wrong about Greenland

They just want to harvest it. 

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