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1 minute ago, Pods said:

@BamaATL How you feeling? What's still outstanding?

Basically Gwinett EV, which would in all likelihood have us about even, Clarke County (Athens), Chatamn (Savannah), and then the urban margins, which favor us.  Feeling ok.

Magic Number is now looking to be about 2.75 million (50% for either candidate)

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It’s anecdotal data, but there sure are a lot of out of state Texan college students who never received their absentee ballots. I know of two from my neighborhood that flew back just to vote and another who never received his ballot and when he called to check in it he was told that it was mailed so there was nothing that could be done.

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33 minutes ago, texas08 said:

Did this thread reopen for shots of hopium or what?

Well, I spent the last hour and a half sitting outside in this beautiful hill country weather sitting in my gazebo sipping Balvenie 12 looking through my telescope at the night's sky while smoking an A.F. Hemingway Masterpiece. Probably should have smoked some weed.

I am now perfectly buzzed and relaxed so I am ready to ruin a great evening by catching up on the election results. I figure we will not know shit about fuck until tomorrow but I am ready to take a peak.

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Well, I spent the last hour and a half sitting outside in this beautiful hill country weather sitting in my gazebo sipping Balvenie 12 looking through my telescope at the night's sky while smoking an A.F. Hemingway Masterpiece. Probably should have smoked some weed.
I am now perfectly buzzed and relaxed so I am ready to ruin a great evening by catching up on the election results. I figure we will not know shit about fuck until tomorrow but I am ready to take a peak.

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1 hour ago, BamaATL said:

Basically Gwinett EV, which would in all likelihood have us about even, Clarke County (Athens), Chatamn (Savannah), and then the urban margins, which favor us.  Feeling ok.

Magic Number is now looking to be about 2.75 million (50% for either candidate)

Fuck you

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53 minutes ago, CooterBrown said:

It’s anecdotal data, but there sure are a lot of out of state Texan college students who never received their absentee ballots. I know of two from my neighborhood that flew back just to vote and another who never received his ballot and when he called to check in it he was told that it was mailed so there was nothing that could be done.

I know one in NYC that didn’t get her ballot until yesterday from Travis Cty. 

Posted
6 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

James says that, unequivocally, Kamala will win. While that is not a guarantee of victory, I tend to believe the crazy ragin’ Cajun on presidential election demographics.

…..well, apparently, he is a crazy ragin’ Cajun! ….. nttawwt.

 

 

 

Posted
23 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This.  Totally this for me.

I have felt like I want to puke all day so far, and it will only get worse.

I love my country.  I love it so much it hurts. It has given my family opportunity for generations.  It has been a place that is and always has been wildly imperfect yet, somehow, has found a way to improve over time.  As they say, "reformed, but always reforming."  We are a good country, and we have tried over time to become a great one.  It is a process, but one that - for most of my life - I believed we continued to move towards.  Yes, with failures, yes, with missteps, but overall heading in the right historical direction.

The past 15+ years have caused me to doubt that (Obama's election revealed how awful a huge swath of our country and fellow citizens are, and it has only gotten MUCH worse).  

I truly don't know who "we the people" are anymore.  I don't believe, like I once did, that we can and will find ways to be better.

I want to hope that we will.  But hope, in these times, is a precursor to disappointment.  And we've had a cascade of disappointments, shocking ones.  To my dying day, I will never forget those moments on January 6th when, driving through nowhere W. Texas, I heard them announce that the insurrectionists had broken through and were inside the Capitol.  As our phones started blowing up from friends all over the world asking us "WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING?"

I want to believe that we can be the nation I knew and believed in most of my life.  But I also know that we are the nation that had January 6th, and might have another one of those.

This feeling is like being in crisis with someone you deeply love.  Will she go off the deep end, turning her back on all the things that made her good, and leading you to the inevitable conclusion of "she's gone....this relationship isn't worth saving?"  Or will she find her way to reaffirm the best of who she is and can be, so you think "there she is....the person I love is still there?"  I feel like I would if I was sitting in my living room, waiting for her answer.  And yeah, I wanna puke.

I love her.  And she's been breaking my fucking heart.

This was our concern dude.  And here we are.

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3 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

hopefully we'll get to see what a POTUS in prison looks like. that would be hilarious.

He was just acquitted last night by the American electorate, who rejected these ridiculous political legal maneuvers. 

You come at the king, you best not miss.

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chirp chirp crickets crickets

I told you what was going to happen and yall ignoring this is the exact reason he was elected. You pretend to be in bubble where you suck each other off and are obvious to Americans.

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Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

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The shift from progressive (FDR) economic messaging to Thatcher/Reagan austerity helped usher in a Republican House in 2022 and a dismal Red Tide in 2024.

Courting Republicans doesn’t work. Punching down does not work. FDR economic policy may be distasteful for Establishment Dems to embrace. But austerity is a losing hand for Democrats. 

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Posted
4 hours ago, BearSchlong said:

Wow, I was very wrong.

White privilege sure did bite me in the ass.

I had no idea brown people were so racist, nor the devastation that inflation inflicted on average people, nor that misogyny was alive and well.

people arent racist, youre just a loser and this is how you sleep at night. you drunk.

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The US economy is in good shape overall. But austerity dramatically impacted those less well off. Trump capitalized on those impacted by Biden/Harris austerity. 
 

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So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

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Election was stolen. I drove down my street and only 1 Trump sign. More Harris signs. Rigged.

People are saying the Russians invaded and voted using Elon’s starlink machines.

Trump faked the assassination. It’s why the gun he used was so wrong. And the other guy wasn’t an assassin, he was just a tourist.

Rigged. I demand a recount, and only I get to choose who is qualified to recount the votes.

(Am I doing this right?)

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There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

Posted
6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Bill Clinton made it OK for Democrats to disregard poor people.

And then have his walking corpse show up 20 years later to claim poor people deserve it. (I know he was talking about Gazans still)

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9 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

There’s plenty of blame to go around.

First and foremost— Biden not making plans to step aside starting in 2022. He ran on being a one term president and he reneged on that idea. Whether it was arrogance, hubris, naivete or a combination of all three, this was the first major blunder that led to last night. 

Next, when it was obvious that Biden wasn’t up to task anymore, the rushed coronation of Kamala without the slightest amount of public discourse probably left a bad taste in the mouths of many Dems (and potentially independents). I get that a quick decision had to be made, so this is collateral damage to Biden not stepping aside sooner. 

I get that she’s the sitting VP and has impressive credentials, but she was one of the earliest dem primary candidates eliminated in 2020. She was extremely unpopular, so I’ll always question why they went to her with other options on the table like Shapiro and Beshear. Both are very well liked in their states and neither can be painted as a “coastal elite” like Kamala.  Again, if Biden had stepped aside sooner and there was a true primary earlier this year I think either of them would have blown Kamala out of the water during that process. 

Once Kamala was announced, not naming Shapiro or Beshear as VP was probably the second biggest blunder behind Biden not stepping aside. With Shapiro you lock down Pennsylvania in the must-win state for both candidates. I get that Walz is folksy and is popular, but when you see him on tv he doesn’t scream “National candidate”. Governor/congress, I totally get it. 

But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

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43 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So, given the Congress that Biden had starting in 2022, what exactly could have been done?

Further, I believe a lot of these programs were forced to end becuase of lawsuits, etc...

Laying all the blame on the Biden and Harris is disingenuous.

Also, if Biden were to try to use his executive order power, more than often than not, it would be blocked by useful idiot state AGs like Paxton, or the idiots in Oklahome or Missouri. 

So, given all those factors, what do you suggest be done?

Keep doing it, it is more about the news than about the money, make stunts like handing them out in DC and telling them to hurry before Republicans steal their money. So many creative ways to do this and it boggles the mind that only student loan forgiveness was tried twice.

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13 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

 But the real nail in the coffin was not distancing herself from Biden once she started out on the trail. I get that she was not trying to shit on her boss and as VP it wasn’t her agenda, but the writing was on the wall that the electorate was not happy and she needed to show how she was going to be an agent of change. And she never did and she was blown out last night as a result. I think she had a good economic policy, but she was totally ineffective with her messaging strategy. 
 

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.

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2 minutes ago, linux said:

She lost Wiscy and Michigan, picking Shapiro and saving Penn is a woopsy fucking do, I do agree that Biden wanting us to return to normalcy was a gicantic red flag we all saw comming, the new normal is rage, not civility, logic, or good governance tradition. Should have been working 24/7 to prevent what just happened right now, never ending handouts last year when inflation was dying would have helped, but he thought a graph number was more relevant than disposable income to pay for food. 

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

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2 minutes ago, Yev Kassem said:

I get that, but I think Michigan/Wisconsin are much closer politically to Penn than Minnesota. I think Shapiro might have resonated better with those voters, especially if he had been at the top of the ticket. 

The problem with their economic message is that while the stock market is at an all time high and most all other indicators showed a strong economy most of those working class dem voters likely aren’t playing much in that space. All they saw was that their paychecks weren’t going as far as they used to and they blamed Biden/Kamala.  It was too tough story to overcome. 
 

But handouts would have greatly helped, I get it handouts drive inflation and Trump's handouts did just that, but enough about the number or pleasing wall st, its all irrelevant anyhow free elections are out the door.

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2 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

I don't really get this take.  If you look at who delivered the fatal blow to Harris in the decisive states, it was people who were NEVER going to vote for her no matter how she campaigned.  Her goose was cooked by her gender as unfair as it is.

Unless you think doing so would have juiced turnout for her, but how much juice was left to squeeze there?

If there are free and fair presidential elections in 28 I'm pretty sure Trump will do a fine enough hatchet job on the economy to hand the presidency to the democratic nominee, if it's a white male from the heartland.  We will have to endure a lot of pain in the interim.

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

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I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

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Just now, linux said:

I did really like the idea of Beshear, but he needed a populist message too, it is more than just distancing it should have been distancing and repeating over and over how he was going to help the working class.

Yeah I think Shapiro/Beshear makes a great ticket in 2028. Beshear being a blue gov in a red state is a great message of uniting both parties and how it’s still possible to work across the aisle. 

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1 minute ago, Yev Kassem said:

I’m in total agreement with you on her gender being what probably cooked her overall.  That’s why I think Shapiro or Beshear at the top of the ticket kills two birds with one stone. You run a man who wasn’t connected to the current administration who could paint themselves differently. 

In post-mortem I agree to that.  Beforehand, I was of the opinion that Beshear was woefully unqualified as a Democratic red state governor because he really is only that because of his dad and name recognition.  But I think I know now that the resume doesn't really matter to the decisive slice of the electorate.  Beshear probably would have beat Trump.  Agree 100% with your position.

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Right around Biden resigned almost no straight white men were considered though, It was Whitmore, Kamala, Pete, the identiy polititcs group was salivating about an all woman ticket as well, just fucking end me now! fuck.

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Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

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Just now, Old Freak Nasty said:

Maybe I'm also cynical in the aftermath, but I'm thinking that the campaign doesn't even matter anymore.  Just pick the right candidate in the primary for general election purposes.  Resume and credentials don't matter, male-ness, heartland or heartland adjacent, and white-ness, white-ness flexible in case of a powerful brilliant communicator, i.e. Wes Moore.

Dumb down your messages to the populace. Nobody gives a shit about detailed policy in the populace especially in debates. Reel in your legacy media to drive your dumbed down message home and your attacks on the opponent. Quit trying to be fair and partial to both candidates and just be straight up attack mode. 

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At this point yes all there is is who can scream louder, we have the so called establishment group, the media, Goldman Sachs etc but they are told to fall in line because they don't fucking vote, its either him or trump, That said I don't know why I am wasting my time over something that will never happen again, free and fair elections.



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