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19 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

It’s just the vindictive announcement yesterday.   It’s complete lawlessness from the executive branch.  

And your point is? Wake me when he's held accountable for any of the shit he's doing. 

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31 minutes ago, VABuckeye said:

It’s just the vindictive announcement yesterday.   It’s complete lawlessness from the executive branch.  

Business as usual for Trump. Just wait until he issues an executive order banning the Democratic Party altogether. Will that surprise you? It shouldn’t. 

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Probably deserves its own thread, but what a fuck you after the 250th birthday of the Army

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/va-doctors-refuse-treat-patients

 

‘Extremely disturbing and unethical’: new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans

Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.

Doctors and other medical staff can also be barred from working at VA hospitals based on their marital status, political party affiliation or union activity, documents reviewed by the Guardian show. The changes also affect chiropractors, certified nurse practitioners, optometrists, podiatrists, licensed clinical social workers and speech therapists.

In making the changes, VA officials cite the president’s 30 January executive order titled “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government”. The primary purpose of the executive order was to strip most government protections from transgender people. The VA has since ceased providing most gender-affirming care and forbidden a long list of words, including “gender affirming” and “transgender”, from clinical settings.

Medical experts said the implications of rule changes uncovered by the Guardian could be far-reaching.

They “seem to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected”, said Dr Kenneth Kizer, the VA’s top healthcare official during the Clinton administration. He said the changes open up the possibility that doctors could refuse to treat veterans based on their “reason for seeking care – including allegations of rape and sexual assault – current or past political party affiliation or political activity, and personal behavior such as alcohol or marijuana use”.

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4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Probably deserves its own thread, but what a fuck you after the 250th birthday of the Army

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/va-doctors-refuse-treat-patients

 

‘Extremely disturbing and unethical’: new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans

Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.

Doctors and other medical staff can also be barred from working at VA hospitals based on their marital status, political party affiliation or union activity, documents reviewed by the Guardian show. The changes also affect chiropractors, certified nurse practitioners, optometrists, podiatrists, licensed clinical social workers and speech therapists.

In making the changes, VA officials cite the president’s 30 January executive order titled “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government”. The primary purpose of the executive order was to strip most government protections from transgender people. The VA has since ceased providing most gender-affirming care and forbidden a long list of words, including “gender affirming” and “transgender”, from clinical settings.

Medical experts said the implications of rule changes uncovered by the Guardian could be far-reaching.

They “seem to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected”, said Dr Kenneth Kizer, the VA’s top healthcare official during the Clinton administration. He said the changes open up the possibility that doctors could refuse to treat veterans based on their “reason for seeking care – including allegations of rape and sexual assault – current or past political party affiliation or political activity, and personal behavior such as alcohol or marijuana use”.

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23 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Probably deserves its own thread, but what a fuck you after the 250th birthday of the Army

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/16/va-doctors-refuse-treat-patients

 

‘Extremely disturbing and unethical’: new rules allow VA doctors to refuse to treat Democrats, unmarried veterans

Doctors at Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) hospitals nationwide could refuse to treat unmarried veterans and Democrats under new hospital guidelines imposed following an executive order by Donald Trump.

The new rules, obtained by the Guardian, also apply to psychologists, dentists and a host of other occupations. They have already gone into effect in at least some VA medical centers.

Medical staff are still required to treat veterans regardless of race, color, religion and sex, and all veterans remain entitled to treatment. But individual workers are now free to decline to care for patients based on personal characteristics not explicitly prohibited by federal law.

Language requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status has been explicitly eliminated.

Doctors and other medical staff can also be barred from working at VA hospitals based on their marital status, political party affiliation or union activity, documents reviewed by the Guardian show. The changes also affect chiropractors, certified nurse practitioners, optometrists, podiatrists, licensed clinical social workers and speech therapists.

In making the changes, VA officials cite the president’s 30 January executive order titled “Defending Women from Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government”. The primary purpose of the executive order was to strip most government protections from transgender people. The VA has since ceased providing most gender-affirming care and forbidden a long list of words, including “gender affirming” and “transgender”, from clinical settings.

Medical experts said the implications of rule changes uncovered by the Guardian could be far-reaching.

They “seem to open the door to discrimination on the basis of anything that is not legally protected”, said Dr Kenneth Kizer, the VA’s top healthcare official during the Clinton administration. He said the changes open up the possibility that doctors could refuse to treat veterans based on their “reason for seeking care – including allegations of rape and sexual assault – current or past political party affiliation or political activity, and personal behavior such as alcohol or marijuana use”.

While this is fucked up, are we that concerned that VA workers are going to abide by these now that they are technically able?  Most people in medicine, especially doctors, take their oath very seriously to treat patients no matter the situation.  

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8 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

While this is fucked up, are we that concerned that VA workers are going to abide by these now that they are technically able?  Most people in medicine, especially doctors, take their oath very seriously to treat patients no matter the situation.  

There will be a few strays here and there and that’s the point. They’re counting on the idea that some egregious case will pop up and that’ll be the latest national distraction.

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25 minutes ago, hpslugga said:

There will be a few strays here and there and that’s the point. They’re counting on the idea that some egregious case will pop up and that’ll be the latest national distraction.

Good.  Then there will be a list of MAGAs to purge and delicense for the next administration.  

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40 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

While this is fucked up, are we that concerned that VA workers are going to abide by these now that they are technically able?  Most people in medicine, especially doctors, take their oath very seriously to treat patients no matter the situation.  

Doctors are every bit as likely to think in their own best interests as judges, attorneys, etc.... Not at a VA hospital, but I am friends with a guy here in Austin whose wife had a miscarriage leading to life threatening complications for his wife, and my buddy seemed confident that it wouldn't have been an issue prior to the state's abortion ban. I didnt dig into the details with him, but I got the sense he felt the doctors could have done more for his wife and would have done more for his wife in previous years. Doctors and certainly the administrators of the hospitals they work for aren't immune to legal pressures, sadly.  They will cover their ass with the best of them. 

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45 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Doctors are every bit as likely to think in their own best interests as judges, attorneys, etc.... Not at a VA hospital, but I am friends with a guy here in Austin whose wife had a miscarriage leading to life threatening complications for his wife, and my buddy seemed confident that it wouldn't have been an issue prior to the state's abortion ban. I didnt dig into the details with him, but I got the sense he felt the doctors could have done more for his wife and would have done more for his wife in previous years. Doctors and certainly the administrators of the hospitals they work for aren't immune to legal pressures, sadly.  They will cover their ass with the best of them. 

Oh I agree in that case. Providers are leaving Texas so they won’t get sued for giving the care they should. This is different. It’s presuming that just because they have the option to not treat people based on political views that they won’t. It’s not mandatory. 
 

So I see your point, but it’s not really apples to apples. 

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58 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Doctors are every bit as likely to think in their own best interests as judges, attorneys, etc.... Not at a VA hospital, but I am friends with a guy here in Austin whose wife had a miscarriage leading to life threatening complications for his wife, and my buddy seemed confident that it wouldn't have been an issue prior to the state's abortion ban. I didnt dig into the details with him, but I got the sense he felt the doctors could have done more for his wife and would have done more for his wife in previous years. Doctors and certainly the administrators of the hospitals they work for aren't immune to legal pressures, sadly.  They will cover their ass with the best of them. 

This. I think most people would be astounded at the level of involvement of attorneys in setting clinical guidelines in hospitals.

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15 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh I agree in that case. Providers are leaving Texas so they won’t get sued for giving the care they should. This is different. It’s presuming that just because they have the option to not treat people based on political views that they won’t. It’s not mandatory. 
 

So I see your point, but it’s not really apples to apples. 

Yeah my point wasn't so much that scenarios are apple to apples, but really just to state that the more money people make, the less likely they are to jeopardize that source of income. Doctors and hospital administrators are no different.  Mandatory or not, there was a reason the language  requiring healthcare professionals to care for veterans regardless of their politics and marital status was explicitly eliminated. And if doctors are found to be acting in a manner that opposes that reason, its not a stretch for me to think they can find their employment in jeopardy. Strange times we live in. 

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4 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

How is it in any way legal for this motherfucker to target “blue” cities for his purging?

 

8 hours ago, Goofyboy said:


Depends on where the brown people are and who they are working for. Hotel in a red state - no way. Walking down the street in LA - dangerous illegal who needs to go. Duh.

This whole thing is primed to blow up in his face too. He got voted in by people in red states that don't want immigrants around them. So he's targeting only immigrants in blue states? So he pisses off blue states while simultaneously pissing off red state magas because eventually the immigrants will figure out they can hide out in red states easier and flood there. 

Truth is red state Republican donating businesses are pissed at Trump for taking their labor force so he's backed down. He found out immigrants are essential in red states. So he promised his idiot followers things that he can't do without pissing off his money donors. 

This dude is incapable of doing anything that makes any sense whatsoever. 

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2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

While this is fucked up, are we that concerned that VA workers are going to abide by these now that they are technically able?  Most people in medicine, especially doctors, take their oath very seriously to treat patients no matter the situation.  

We’ll see. Since Covid it has become more clear that there are a lot of idiot assholes in my profession. But yes, most are good people. Not me, but most.

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14 minutes ago, Hank_Hill said:

We’ll see. Since Covid it has become more clear that there are a lot of idiot assholes in my profession. But yes, most are good people. Not me, but most.

That fuckhead Bevo told me flat-out a few months ago that he'd never treat me as a patient. I don't recall what instigated it, but the only times I've ever really clashed with him are in the DT "Israel vs. the world" and the "LA on fire" threads. 

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2 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That fuckhead Bevo told me flat-out a few months ago that he'd never treat me as a patient. I don't recall what instigated it, but the only times I've ever really clashed with him are in the DT "Israel vs. the world" and the "LA on fire" threads. 

Yea I learned that idiot is a doctor a few days ago and I’m still in denial. 

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38 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That fuckhead Bevo told me flat-out a few months ago that he'd never treat me as a patient. I don't recall what instigated it, but the only times I've ever really clashed with him are in the DT "Israel vs. the world" and the "LA on fire" threads. 

He’s doing you a favor. 

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Posted
8 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I've learned in my 50 plus years on earth that doctors can be every bit as dumb as lawyers.

Except we don't typically have a god complex.

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6 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

I've learned in my 50 plus years on earth that doctors can be every bit as dumb as lawyers.

Some of the smartest, most brilliant people I know and have had the privilege of working with during my career have been physicians. Some of the dumbest, most frustrating people I know are physicians. It’s a bell curve in every profession.

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51 minutes ago, bolverk said:

That fuckhead Bevo told me flat-out a few months ago that he'd never treat me as a patient. I don't recall what instigated it, but the only times I've ever really clashed with him are in the DT "Israel vs. the world" and the "LA on fire" threads. 

So he’s not an oath keeper. But he might be an Oath Keeper.

Strange. 

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Posted
1 hour ago, Hermanator said:

This dude is incapable of doing anything that makes any sense whatsoever. 

It all makes sense. 
 

Remember that Clint Eastwood movie where he steals the Soviet plane and has to “think Russian” to get it to fire a missile backwards.  Firefox or something like that. 
 

Same same. You’re thinking like a normal sane decent person. Think Dotard 

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10,000,000 people live in Tehran. And we have your drunk, racist uncle tweeting crazy shit 50 times a day. Someone this irresponsible shouldn’t be near the tv remote let alone the fucking White House. 

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Trump leaving the G7 early. Said due to Middle East tensions.

Trump to depart G7 early and return to US "because of what’s going on in the Middle East"

From CNN’s Kaitlan Collins

President Donald Trump is expected to depart the G7 early and return to Washington tonight.

White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt posted on social media about the president’s plan to cut short his attendance at the summit in Kananaskis, Canada.

“President Trump had a great day at the G7, even signing a major trade deal with the United Kingdom and Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Much was accomplished, but because of what’s going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with Heads of State,” Leavitt wrote on X.

Trump had been scheduled to depart Canada on Tuesday after a news conference. Soon before the White House announced his early departure, Trump posted on Truth Social that “Everyone should immediately evacuate Tehran!” as the conflict between Iran and Israel escalates.

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-attack-strikes-news-06-16-25-intl-hnk

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9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

JFC.  We are going to have another moment like Hawaii in the first term when everyone thought it was getting nuked for a minute.  Hopefully it will just be another false alarm.

It's fucking insane how many of these little episodes got completely memory holed due to sheer volume

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23 minutes ago, Underdog said:

I’d put good odds on he shit himself and that’s why he left early. 

He probably got tired of all the other leaders cracking on him and his squeaky wheel tanks by empty stands while over 10 million Americans took to the streets to call him a bitch

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57 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

“President Trump had a great day at the G7, even signing a major trade deal with the United Kingdom and Prime Minister Keir Starmer. Much was accomplished, but because of what’s going on in the Middle East, President Trump will be leaving tonight after dinner with Heads of State,” Leavitt wrote on

I would like to hear Starmer’s take on this. 

Posted
2 hours ago, David Dennison said:

I've learned in my 50 plus years on earth that doctors can be every bit as dumb as lawyers.

At least in professional academia, the higher you go, the more likely you are to encounter some savants, who are really good at the school part, maybe good at the actual job or work, and pretty incompetent in everything else.

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12 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

It quite literally becomes almost indelible muscle memory.  The only confusion becomes "left foot first or right foot first?".  (Most learn the latter, I learned the former.)

Left on Founders. 

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9 hours ago, VABuckeye said:

How is it in any way legal for this motherfucker to target “blue” cities for his purging?

Slacks gettin Grey as fuck.

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