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Just confirming...we think Ellie is immune NOT because her mom was infected before the cord was cut, but rather because the same knife mom used to kill the clicker was then used to cut the cord, right? If so, it supports the theory that cordyceps+cord blood (stem cells) or cordyceps exposure right after birth is the path to immunity...

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23 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Considering they knocked Joel out and separated him from Ellie without discussing any of those things, he has to be pretty damn skeptical of the operation.

I didn't see this addressed in the game or the show, so anyone feel free to correct me but the whole point was that Joel is supposed to deliver Ellie to the fireflies in exchange for supplies. Guns, a vehicle, etc. He gets her there and Marlene tells him "I owe you" and her payment is to have Joel escorted to the highway and dumped. Not once does she mention paying him, not once does he ask about the payment he was supposed to receive. I can understand Joel not caring at that point but shouldn't Marlene have said "Hey, don't worry. You're getting the supplies we talked about. our men will hook you up"? Instead, she just stiffs him. 

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Well, the supplies that Joel wanted (battery/truck) were so he could go find his brother. I guess that you could argue that Marlene didn't know that that reunion had already taken place and been more generous with horses, guns, whatever.

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Yeah - Joel and Tess’s original job was to get Ellie to the Statehouse in episode one to meet up with a group of Fireflies and hand her off. That group was to give them a vehicle and weapons and whatever and then Joel and Tess were going to Wyoming.

But when they got there, all the Fireflies were dead, Tess was infected and she blew up all the Firefly supplies.

Joel and Tess were never tasked with taking Ellie all the way to Salt Lake City.

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18 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

 


He wasn’t saving Ellie, he was saving himself from being alone again. Otherwise, he wouldn’t have had to lie to her.

 

 

He was doing both.  His motives were altruistic and selfish.

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On 3/16/2023 at 12:06 PM, Sandman said:

I didn't see this addressed in the game or the show, so anyone feel free to correct me but the whole point was that Joel is supposed to deliver Ellie to the fireflies in exchange for supplies. Guns, a vehicle, etc. He gets her there and Marlene tells him "I owe you" and her payment is to have Joel escorted to the highway and dumped. Not once does she mention paying him, not once does he ask about the payment he was supposed to receive. I can understand Joel not caring at that point but shouldn't Marlene have said "Hey, don't worry. You're getting the supplies we talked about. our men will hook you up"? Instead, she just stiffs him. 

Maybe misremembering 

I thought Marlene gave a line as Joel was waking up that he was the last person she wanted to owe a favor to but did for bringing ellie. 

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it makes more sense now that I think about Marlene as fatally misunderstanding the changes that have happened to Joel on this trip, but a good strategy would be to not let the brutal killer wake up or know that the "surgery" was happening at all until after it had already occurred

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would never let that happen to my daughter - I don't care about the rest of the world that much anyways, everyone dies once. I can see getting into the Joel headspace having that part of him reawakened after 20 years. of course it'll fuck everything up with Ellie (have not played the games, or at least haven't gotten that far in the games yet).

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would never let that happen to my daughter - I don't care about the rest of the world that much anyways, everyone dies once. I can see getting into the Joel headspace having that part of him reawakened after 20 years. of course it'll fuck everything up with Ellie (have not played the games, or at least haven't gotten that far in the games yet).

With you. Fuck everyone, especially in an apocalypse.
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I think the biggest part of Joel's murderous reaction was due to them not letting him see her. Marlene can tell he's concerned for her, and if she doesn't expect Ellie to survive "the surgery" she certainly wouldn't want Joel to see that. That's the impression I got from that exchange, she was going to use Ellie as a labrat/donor for their BS experiment and she didn't want him in the way. She owed him for bringing her this far to help make the cure, but couldn't convince him to get on board with the plan (or didn't bother trying since she's the dictator of the Fireflies and this is her plan). 

I like how the show portrayed this situation and gave Joel plenty of red flags to justify his actions. At first I thought he was going insane, but there were a lot better ways for Marlene to handle it all. She didn't even give them a meal and try to befriend them before sending Ellie to the OR without her consent. Lots of different ways to play it, but I guess impatience got the best of her. 

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someone mentioned it earlier but it was dumb the way they went about it with ellie.  the damn apocalypse has been going on for over 20 years, it’s not like seconds count.  and you have the only known human that is immune to the fungus that has destroyed the world.  instead of keeping her safe, studying her, trying any and all options… no, toss her on the table the minute she arrives and kill her on a hunch that something might work.  it’s ridiculous. 

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I finished out the game today. There is some info revealed through voice recorders and a journal that makes the Fireflies, the medical staff, and Marlene look a little more legit and good intentioned than what we get in the show. They seem to be genuinely trying and hopeful for a vaccine.

Despite that, they didn’t communicate with Joel and Ellie at all, and their brute force approach resulted in a hostile situation that got everyone killed. If you plan to save humanity, it might help to have some bedside manner.

I killed the doctor and nurses because I spent time picking up ammo and didn’t want that to be in vain. They’re NPCs, who cares. Got Ellie back.

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2 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

There is some info revealed through voice recorders and a journal that makes the Fireflies, the medical staff, and Marlene look a little more legit and good intentioned than what we get in the show. They seem to be genuinely trying and hopeful for a vaccine.

how are they not genuinely trying and hopeful in the show?

foolish and desperate, maybe.  but genuinely hopeful. 

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